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A high school student cheating on a paper is a mistake. High School is the time to make mistakes and allow for corrections. Making that mistake at the College level, that's a zero. Making that mistake at the Employed level means you get fired.
The parents are completely in the wrong here and are teaching their child the wrong lesson. The parents are making an argument that doesn't apply to high school students. Hell it arguably doesn't apply at the College or Employee level, but that's a conversation for another day.
The school is being lenient to give the student a place to grow from. The school being overly strict and beating down a student helps no one. The school and parents should be in alignment here. A middle ground might have been the ability to redo the assignment.
My only hope is that at this point, after the decision of the court, is that the student understands what they did wrong. I hope the parents do too, but the student is the important one here.
No, making that "mistake" at the college level is grounds for an expulsion. And a well deserved one.
A 0 isn't and doesn't resemble a punishment. It's literally just the grade you earned. A 65 is better than you earned.
Failing the class automatically is the bare minimum to even qualify as a punishment. Letting the possibility of the student passing the class even exist is as flagrant of a statement in support of cheating as the teacher directly instructing a student on how to cheat.
The student was a Junior in high school, 16-17 years old. We don't need to destroy them to get the message across. Being overly punitive is "an" option, but not one that I would support. Sure if the only options are fail the class or sue the school to overturn the grade, I choose fail the class. However I prefer an option in the middle.
Failing the class they cheated in isn't destroying them. It's not overly punitive.
It's the absolute bare minimum that constitutes any consequences for their actions at all.
I think we're at an agree to disagree point, but let's continue with your proposal.
It they fail a class what's next? Is there an opportunity to make it up within that year? Is summer school an option? Do they need to repeat their Junior year?
If they can make it up somehow within that year, I'm ok with that. If summer school is on the table, I'm willing to hear that out. If someone needs to repeat their entire Junior year? That seems overly punitive.
I don't think cheating as a 16-17 year old warrants having to repeat a year. I think depending on what's involved in summer school and depending on what the student has planned, it could be fair but it might be overkill.
I think a 16-17 year old kid deserves a fair chance to correct the mistake. Maybe I'm being overly generous, maybe he's a whiny piece of shit. Maybe he's just a kid who didn't fully understand the technology he was using. This should be a conversation between parent, teacher and student.
Students have different schedules all the time. Failing classes is part of reality. There are ways to make back the time. None are pleasant, but he brought it entirely on himself by being a cheater.
Literally nothing short of failing the class can result in the student "correcting the mistake". It's actively rewarding extremely unacceptable behavior.
Yeah, we're in an agree to disagree situation. I don't think either of us have enough information. I'm not confident failing the class is needed. Obviously this going to court is too far, and I agree with the court le decision, but in terms of punishment I don't feel failure of the class is needed, given the information available. I'm not against it given a more detailed write up if the incident, but I would need to see a lot more information.