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CNBC spoke to a dozen customers caught in the Synapse fintech predicament, people who are owed sums ranging from $7,000 to well over $200,000.

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The government should mandate warning labels on companies like that, maybe "fintech" would be a good word to force them to use, similar to the way large companies have to use the "enterprise" warning label and games companies have to be labelled "triple A" to know their products and services are low quality and have a high risk of failure.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago

I like your style

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dont they have to write in the footer WE ARE NOT A BANK

Usually that's what I look for

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

They do write that, but it also says that your money is deposited in an FDIC insured account.

And, according to the article, they even gave you a routing number and account from Evolve:

When I signed up, they gave me an Evolve routing and account number."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Do you not have banking licenses (someone mentioned FDIC)? Over here, that's how you tell real [regulated and insured] banks from pretend banks.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

The "what is a bank" question is complicated, so "fintechs" have been operating in areas that are in some gray areas in between "definitely a bank" versus "definitely not a bank."

At the most informal, you've got things like a roommate who collects everyone's fair share of rent before sending one payment to the landlord, or a parent who keeps track of their kids' virtual balances of what the kids are allowed to spend. These definitely aren't banks.

Then you've got things like short term balances between people who deal with each other: an employer who keeps track of hours and pays the employee at the end of the pay period, a retail customer who has some store credit from a returned item, a contractor who periodically invoices a customer for work performed, etc. Despite the "credit" and "balances," these aren't bank accounts.

Some gray areas get a little bit more complicated. You have airline mileage and hotel point programs where the miles/points can be used to purchase goods and services, including sometimes those not even being offered by the business where the miles were accumulated.

Then you get into banking-like structures that might be, or might not be banks. Is it banking when you buy something on a periodic payment plan? What about when you put down a deposit to reserve a preorder for something you expect to buy when that product is released? Or give someone a gift card for a specific store? Does it matter if these programs are administered by third parties separate from the buyer or seller?

Even things like Apple Cash or PayPal or Venmo or CashApp perform functions that can be bank-like, or not really bank-like.

Fintechs have looked at the constantly updated rules of what they can or can't do before needing to comply with certain banking regulations, and usually try to avoid accidentally triggering certain rules. And the rules don't divide into just bank versus not bank, as many of the rules apply to non-banks that do certain things, and many of the rules don't apply to even banks that stay out of certain product lines. So it's not a binary yes or no, but a series of complicated areas where some are yes and some are no.

The big problem, where this Synapse bankruptcy is hurting people, is when people worked with an entity that provides certain services, who relied on the back end on a middleman that provides other services, and then the middleman fails. People operating in the gray areas are exposing themselves to systemic risks they might not fully understand.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Yes. I guess the problem is that people aren't reading the small text st the bottom of the website that says they're not a bank