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If this happened once instead of constantly
You talk about women right ? Because as a man I would love that it would happen all the time
you're assuming that because you don't have to live with the reality.
add in the constant awareness that most rapists occur by men against women and most men are stronger than women.
you wouldn't like theae solicitations or straight up molestation and assaults if you were constantly in danger of being raped and being reminded that men found you attractive or available.
Been raped twice by two different women, I'd still be fine with it. If I let my experiences with women (that + 3 serious relationships ended in them cheating) cloud my judgement of the entire gender I'd be an "incel," so I don't, I give each individual a fair shake because my past trauma isn't their fault.
all of that rings untrue, and if it is true; it's clear that you are not understanding or empathizing with any perspective other than your own, you're only looking at it through your own understanding of the world, which by what you've written is extremely limited.
of course the situation feels different to you from your perspective, you are living in a different situation in different circumstances.
in your imagination land, sexual assault is a compliment.
If you talk to women, they view sexual assault as an assault.
they view sexual harassment as offensive and unwelcome, not as your imaginary compliment.
get out of your own head, this is not about you.
I'm used to not being believed, at least you didn't say the classic "you must've liked it due to (insert natural biological response to stimulus)" like most people do though I guess. Good for you.
But no, I'm sharing about how I feel in response to you telling me how I "would" feel, which you don't get to do, yet you continue above telling me what I feel. How about you stick to you and let others have their own feelings on what happens to them?
"how about...let others have their own feelings on what happens to them?"
because you're attempting to speak for others by replying with your own offensive, not-credible a anecdotes.
you're doing exactly what you're complaining about.
nobody cares if you like pretending that rape wouldn't bother you or being constantly sexually assaulted wouldn't bother you, that's not what this thread is about.
it's not some imaginary thought experiment about you or for you to project your own very different circumstances onto.
this is about real women who don't like being sexually assaulted and raped, and you're implying through your unbelievable stories about how rape is fine for you and then imagining hypothetical situations where you have no ill will toward the potential rapists assaulting you constantly, which is ridiculous and offensive.
you are being called out because you sound like you're making everything up, and even if you somehow aren't, your own feelings immaterial to this topic or other people who have this happen to them in completely different circumstances than your stories.
fine, you want to believe you like rape. that doesn't mean other people should be raped because you like it.
you're narcissistically making a completely different situation concerning different people about yourself and how you would be fine within awful circumstances, which is simply not credible and offensive.
also, you're(likely) pretending that you were raped by women, this is about being assaulted and raped by men.
put your orifices on the imaginary line there and see if you still feel the same about your rape fantasy.
but after you do that, keep it to yourself because I don't care and nobody in the real world cares about your fantasies, those are for you.
this practical topic is not for you to share your fantasies or your narcissistic dismissals of real life sexual harassment.
Hope that helps! I've lost patience with you, you're arguing in bad faith now calling someone saying "smile more" literal rape, invalidating what happened to me (actual rape) with that horse shit is a bad look but you do you. OH I almost missed the part where you straight up say "rape isn't as bad when women do it" holy shit I don't like you.
"bad faith"?
I'm responding directly to your questions and quotes with factual information and course-correcting your tangents, implications and assumptions.
that's not bad faith.
"you're...calling someone saying "smile more" literal rape"
nope, you are making that up.
or making a connection that isn't there.
"you do you"
i do!
"rape isn't as bad when women do it"
this is literally your argument for why women shouldn't be upset about sexual assault.
because it didn't bother you when women "raped" you.
If it makes you upset, don't make that argument.
What are you talking about, I said that I as a man would love to be cat called not that I would love that as a woman . I never receive compliment and I can assure you that I would love to be cat called.I don't say that what you said is false (it s not), just that its not what I was talking about.
"What are you talking about..."
you are not talking about getting catcalled, you are saying that if you got complimented, you would like it.
that is not what is happening to womenn getting catcalled; they are not receiving compliments, they are being harassed.
If you were catcalled multiple times a day every day you wouldn't find it as fun, since these are not components so much as an attempt to engage with you personally, which is time-consuming and doesn't benefit you, it only benefits the harasser, especially with the accompanying implication of rape or violence with each incident of harassment throughout the day.
I was talking about being cat called and I already got your point on how its horrible for woman to be always cat called because of the intimidation and threat that it implie.
...then you insisted that you would enjoy being catcalled, so I wanted to clarify that you wouldn't enjoy being catcalled; you would enjoy a different situation in which you are occasionally complimented in good faith without the threat of violence, which is a completely different situation than what women go through everyday being catcalled.
you wouldn't enjoy being catcalled.
you would enjoy receiving occasional good-faith compliments without the lurking threat of violence.
Constantly, really?
I’ve seen you comment around here before and you have a tendency to make bad faith arguments and it seems like maybe lie about who you are to try and make a point and snap at people who question your history while making similar assumptions yourself. If you offered something critically substantial then I’d understand but you often don’t try and simply seem to be a doubter and critic without any real argument. So I’m curious who you are and what you get out of this. If I’m completely off the mark then forgive me but that’s how it looks through the shallow lens of internet commentary
They dix not talk about the dame thing than you , they dont talk about the dame situation than the même. That s why its confusing
constantly, really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvq9krecA8g
and men don't start cat calling women after they reach what is thought of as an "appropriate" age to harass someone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4DCYYs4ECE
Do you have any actual studies on this rather than YouTube videos? You know, the ones that show you raw unobscured data? Because I can take a camera to the main plaza, ask 100 women if they ever had insert experience till 3 out of a 100 say yes, interview them, cut it together, and make it seem like its happening to every single one of them. Data obscuration is the easiest way to manipulate outcomes of studies.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9900418/
yep, this case study records about 10 cat calls per hour.
they studied the YouTube comments, most of which dismissed or defended the behavior, as you are doing.
there are many studies and videos about common, everyday open harassment against women.
you should try talking to some of the women in your life.
ask them what it's like for men to make solicitations end comments about their appearance in public and how often it happens.
then ask how old they were when they first harassed or molested.
your assumptions and implications from your comment show that you have no experience here; these talks will be enlightening for you.
The single most important benefit of getting to be an old woman is I don't have to deal with this shit anymore.