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-“Leftists” on lemmy
It's simply impossible to imagine they were telling the truth when they said genocide was a red line
-"I'm not homophobic" guy
A strawman is what I was replying to. I'm not the dipshit with a comprehension problem here.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Correct. Good thing that my comment was a hyperbolic denunciation of a clear pattern of actual attitudes and behaviors rather than a blame shifting strawman like the one I was replying to.
I'm gonna refer back to my earlier comment
And you're thus continuing to be wrong.
Deliberate and obvious hyperbole to emphasize a valid point is NOT a strawman, nor is it equivalent.
You think if you can justify a strawman, it isn't one.
That's not how it works.
..are you going for a record in hypocrisy and stubborn ignorance or something?
What you just said was a strawman in defense of a categorically false claim.
First off, with all this philosophy larping, there's a thing called "the fallacy fallacy", which states it' fallacious to imply someone is wrong simply because their logic was fallacious.
Secondly, me reminding you of how these things work doesn't mean I'm suddenly "defending a false claim", especially not with strawmen.
It is, however, never a fallacy to point out that a fallacious accusation of fallacy is false. Now say that three times quickly.
It is when, as in this case, are wrong about "how these things work" and also about what's even going on. Just take the L and move on, dude. We've both wasted far too much time on your bullshit already.
Larp all you want, that won't make your comment at the top of this thread be any less fallacious.
Me pointing out that it was fallacious, which it is, doesn't mean I'm engaging in the argument. It just means I'm tired of people like you larping they know philosophy when they can barely be bothered to skim the Wikipedia entries on the subject.
I'm not wasting time. I'm enjoying my time on Lemmy. Aren't you?
Perhaps if you didn't treat conversations as competitions, you might actually learn what those fallacies you never read about actually mean.
See, now you're in "the spiral". You can't address the actual thing you said anymore, have expressed that you feel like you're "wasting time", but for some reason, you feel like you have to keep replying, despite having to resort to spamming memes.
It's okay to just leave a thread, you know?
I could but I don't want to keep repeating myself just because you don't understand. If you don't get it the sixth time, you won't suddenly understand the seventh.
That reason is ADHD. That and the fact that it's annoying that you keep lying at me. Confidently idiotic people irk me.
You first. It's not like you ever contributed anything to it except butting in to lie about my true statements anyway.
"I totally have a girlfriend. No you wouldn't know her, she's Canadian. "
(See this is a strawman, much like the one you used earlier itt.)
Me2 man. Perhaps stop being one?
You're the type who first of all sees these things as competitions, ("take the L, bro"), secondly, you think all you have to do to "win" a debate is to point out a fallacy.
You're probably in the camp of people who think insults mean ad hominem? :D
You started this thread with a strawman you then claim isn't a strawman, because of the intent you had while making it+
Oh now I realise what you're doing. You genuinely think I'm as intellectually lazy and ingenuine as you, so you think I too am trying to bullshit my way through this?
I can refer back to any comment. Like the one which you try to assert that me pointing out your strawman... is a strawman?
Okay then. What's the weak version of the argument I made to attack, and oh yeah, what argument is it that I'm trying to attack in the first place?
Oh you don't have one, or have to come up with them, post hoc? It is somewhat amusing.
You're wrong, you've been wrong from the start, and you haven't contributed anything except being wrong and obnoxious.
Just leave me the fuck alone.
Well I'm not wrong in what I said about fallacies, but yeah, sure.
Enjoy your weekend.
"Ðı cᵫd hæv priventid ðiſ!" -Pipėl hu did ıvin leſ t privent ðiſ
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"They should have prevented this!" -People who did even less to prevent thisDon’t forget all the people of the world who sit back and laugh at the suffering of millions of people just because the leaders they can’t control do bad shit. Getting pleasure out of watching people suffer is wrong.
My brother in Christ, what do you mean by that can't control? Women, minorities, poors, olds voted for someone who's going to take away their healthcare, deport them or their friends and families, and wreck the economy.
These people literally had option to deny him that power. I don't think there's going to be any such option in near future.
Pretty sure they mean non-Americans who can’t vote in our elections.
Correct. I mean anyone laughing at another country because it’s going to shit is a bad person. I don’t laugh at the Russian people. I laugh at the government. The average person is kept powerless for a reason.
MAGA party explicitly mentioned denaturalization during the campaigns. That means Americans who were immigrants or were born to immigrants.
How many of those are Trump voters/non-voters, we don't know but safe to assume there's plenty of such idiots.
However, there are illegal immigrants in USA. They love Trump and his rhetoric about illegal immigrants, not realizing he's talking about them.
https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/07/san-francisco-trump-immigration-deportation-fears/
At this point apathy or schadenfreude is the only option left because these people are beyond reach or help.