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Who are the good guys in the Israel/Palestine conflict? (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's clear Judaism / Muslim conflicts have caused a lot more suffering to Muslims in Palestine for the last 100+ years.

This is a Zionism / Palestinian (and any other independence groups, really) "conflict", which is to say, occupation and rrsistance.

But the solution to this conflict will never be violence. Only diplomacy.

Diplomacy requires leverage and is not an inherent good on its own. Diplomacy can be a tool for delay, propaganda, and for achieving a lopsided deal with false representatives. All of these things have been done via US/Israeli "diplomacy" regarding Paleetine.

You see a people forced into a ghetto fighting back and say, "no that's not the way" as if you have any understanding and have earned an opinion. An important lesson to learn is when you should have no opinion until you become informed.

I'm arguing that such comments can generate hate and divide. You don't have to agree with me on this, but I at least hope you agree that the solution is not hate, but diplomacy.

The divide is already there. It is genocidal settler-colonial apartheid vs. freedom fighters. And the camps throwing in for each side of this. Personally, I don't find it difficult to place myself fully in the freedom fighter camp and against the genociders. Do you? And no, there is no third option because there is no third force with any leverage or will.

When violence is acceptable the weak and marginalized are destroyed.

The violence has already been here. What on earth are you talking about? What fantasy world do you live in where passive Palestinians are left alone? The Israeli project is premised on their oppression and expulsion.

And you are simply wrong in your generalization. Violence has been essential for virtually every liberation fight. This is not because the marginalized love violence, it is because the oppressor leaves no other options.

I only wish the best for Gaza and Israel.

Israel is an apartheid ethnostate doing a genocide. It is racist and horrible to wish the best for it.

And in my opinion the solution is empathy and diplomacy. It's obviously terribly hard to negotiate and empathize with your abuser. But in my opinion, if this sentiment doesn't start the conflict will only stop when the weaker side is destroyed. I hope we can respect each other. Bless you.

You don't deserve an opinion on this topic because you do not know anything about it. You do not get to set the terms of others' freedom. You should spend your time helping the resistance, not rationalizing a fairy tale about how to oppose settler-colonial genocide with "diplomacy" and no militarized resistance.