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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Because they don't want the workers voting.

If you "can't go to the ballot because you need to work" you are a plebeian, and so they have a way of excluding you while technically not excluding you.

A lot of modern oligarchy is powered by these technicalities. Technically everyone has a "right to" participate in the system, but the whole apparatus is rigged in such a way that in material reality only the same nobility caste that has called the shots since the bronze fucking age gets to call the shots.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread."

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

By law employers are required to allow their workers an opportunity to vote. The problem is other stuff like taking their kids to school and having to go to work right after and by the time you make it to the poll through rush hour traffic, the line is out the door and they shut it down and don’t let you vote even though you waited for an hour.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

I'm so glad my state has mail-in voting. Sorry buddy.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My roommate asked for time off to vote; her employer literally laughed at her. Now, there is legal recourse there, and she would have likely won and even gotten awarded a money judgment.

But she needed that job without interruption. This was in Canada, by the way.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

This is why you don’t ask.

Also, you don’t really need a whole day. I’m also Canadian. Employers are required to allow you time to do it, not an entire day.

I would phrase the question like this: “I need to take time to go vote. Would you prefer I take the morning or afternoon off?”

If they so no to both, you say “you know it’s illegal not to allow me time off to vote, right?”

I’ve changed careers since the last election, but as a driver I’d just say “I’m going to swing by the polling place in my way to or back from wherever” and it was never a problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

A job I had for a couple of years had really annoying emails sent based on badging in/out. When I'd come back from voting I'd get one for some out of office violation and would just reply to HR with a link to the MN statute requiring paid time off for voting:

https://www.sos.state.mn.us/elections-voting/election-day-voting/time-off-work-to-vote/

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It really depends on how much you need that job to like

Not be homeless

And how hard it was to get the job in the first place.

You can make your legal rights count if you have options.

If you don't, you let your boss walk all over you and thank them for it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I mean you do have options. We have the labour board here in Canada.

You don’t tell your employer you’re talking to them. You let them contact the employer. They can’t fire you while an investigation is ongoing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So the bare minimum that even my little Eastern European hellhole could do was that a polling place closing means that those in line can still vote.

A poll worker gets in line exactly at closing time, and those in front get to vote however long that takes. It's not hard to organize.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's exactly the same in the very opposite end of Europe (and about as poor) - Portugal - which I know becaused I maned the polling places a couple of times and read the rule book.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks for your service, unironically

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

People generally do it because they're in a political party, plus you get paid for it though I think it takes many months for it to come in (never really worried enough about it to keep an eye out for that money coming into my bank account) and it doesn't add up to much per hour for what's a really long day (from about 6 AM to around 10 - 12PM depending on how long it takes to count the votes of one's polling station).

It's an interesting experience if a bit tiring.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The thing is

"The law says it has to happen" doesn't mean it happens.

And the weaker labour protections are in your country, the more bosses can walk all over their employees.

In the US, with their so-called "at-will" employment system, you can be fired at any time for any reason, and if you need the job to like, live, you won't even bring up your legal rights.

Mind you even on countries where polling happens exclusively on Sunday (like mine!) there are other subtle ways The Poors ^tm^ are kept from enfranchisement. "Voting happens on a work day" is just one of the ways it happens in one of our world's oligarchies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

If you're in food service, election day is likely an all hands on deck situation. Incredibly shitty. And here in the US a ton of people work weekends. I didn't get a job that had weekends off until my mid 30s.