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More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Sure, but only fourth grade logic is required to see why that's wrong.

Trump: 50,000,000 votes

Kamala: 50,000,000 votes

Other candidates: 1,000 votes + 3,000 votes + 7,000 votes + ...

When an primitive voting scheme is used that says "winner takes all and you can only vote for one candidate," a vote for any other candidate is essentially the same as not voting unless the masses gather behind a single third party (which will never happen, especially with the internet).

A voting scheme more sophisticated that allows people to pick multiple candidates, in something like a ranked list for example, would make third party votes worth something. But that disrupts the status quo and doesn't help career politicians, so we'll never see that unless heads start rolling.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Lol you'd fail fourth grade. First off there is no evidence third party people would vote for any other candidate if the 3rd party wasnt on the ballot.

Secondly did you know that in ~40/50 states your harris vote is very unlikely change the outcome, and in 16 of those harris is assured the win? If you're in those 16 think long and hard if genocide is the line you're willing to cross.

Fun fact do you know many 3rd party candidates and no voters this year are Republicans?

Second fun fact: did you know that our government has two electable branches? And you can deny votes for one to influence the other? Did you also know that this works locally too?

For example i routinely deny candidates from the Democratic party my vote while voting for other Democratic candidates to increase the likelihood they are replaced or change their positions.

The governor who is prochoice has way more votes than the legislature candidate who wasnt 🤔. Funny how that works. So again anyone reading this:

  1. Support rank choice voting in your region.
  2. Feel free to vote third party! Its fine in most cases. Just show up and vote.
  3. If you're in a competitive district: voting third party might not be in your interest!
  4. Stop repeating the lesser evil nonsense and learn how to leverage your vote for the maximum outcome. Handing your vote out to the lesser evil is why we dont have labor rights or decent health care.
  5. The genocide is a real fucking problem and America should not be backing it. If you like my dear friend im responding to here maybe learn a more nuanced view for voting instead of being driven by fear. You'll get better outcomes both in convincing people to support your candidate and in your stress levels.