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More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (18 children)

Brutal. You have to support the one who kills half of your children because the other one will kill all of them.

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[–] [email protected] 224 points 5 days ago (154 children)

It is important to note that foreign nations like Iran, Russia and China are using this topic to convince voters to allow facism to win the election in the US. This doesn’t mean that Israel shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions. But history shows how foreign actors use these topics to manipulate us.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think it is important to note that a surprisingly large number of voters say they like fascism without any need to rationalise that as foreign meddling. Being told that you are good because you are ingroup and they are bad because they are outgroup is an enduringly popular message with a large minority of people.

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Do Muslim’s really think voting for Muslim ban guy who would give Israel even more weapons a better choice?

[–] [email protected] 73 points 5 days ago (3 children)

No but Russian troll farm employees sure want us to believe it.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

A poll released Monday conducted by Arab News/YouGov found that Trump led Harris 45 percent to 43 percent among Arab Americans. Those voters said that they viewed Trump as more supportive of Israel’s current government, but that he was more likely to end the conflict.

In 2020, FL Hispanics were bombarded with ads saying that Biden would give away Florida to Castro as part of his love for communism or deport them all to Cuba. Trump won FL by a large margin, mostly because Miami area was not as blue as in the past. 60% of FL voters still voted for $15 minimum wage.

In 2020, also, heavily hispanic southern counties of TX went pro Trump on ads that there would be a lot of work in the counties from building walls.

AIPAC lobby has spent record amounts on primaries for democrats this year where the incumbent supported a ceasefire. The only ones AIPAC won were ones where they did not mention Israel at all. Other Republican PACs are blanketing Arab zip codes with how pro Israel Harris is, and Jewish zip codes with how she is a muslim plant.

While Trump very proudly has RFK boast of his desire to end the most stupid war the US has ever conducted, Trump is favoured by Netanyahu, including reported daily strategy calls on how to sabotage Biden's fake constraints policies. He is more likely to believe any benefits Netanyahu tells him of a full war on Iran/Lebanon/Syria over any prudence.

Trump's main claim for 2020 election "rigging" is that a Hunter Biden laptop existed, without anything implicating President on it. But republican rigging of misinformation, and vote suppression, just wasn't enough even though that nothing story was still all over the news.

There are serious problems with US electoral system, and it is orders of magnitude worse every cycle.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

In 2020, FL Hispanics were bombarded with ads saying that Biden would give away Florida to Castro as part of his love for communism or deport them all to Cuba. Trump won FL by a large margin, mostly because Miami area was not as blue as in the past. 60% of FL voters still voted for $15 minimum wage.

JFC people are fucking stupid

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Biden would give away Florida to Castro as part of his love for communism

I love how utterly deranged republican shit is in the US, and seemingly there are people so braindamaged they take it serious. 😂 Really goes to show how much worse things could be in many countries. At leasy they're not the US, basically.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 5 days ago (12 children)
[–] [email protected] 59 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Comment removed.
Reason: Rule 1 (western propaganda)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

Easier to block them and move on.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That is fucking brutal.

I agree but man what a horrible choice.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

yeah its a truly dystopian choice but voting for somebody doesn't mean you approve of everything they have done or will do.

It just means for those with affected friends and families they have done the cruel calculus and have decided which path will be lesser of two evils.

I fully expect trump to try to deport palestinian refugees and its crazy this is where we are at.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago

I mean, he's promised to deport Americans who protest on behalf of the Palestinians. He sure wouldn't hesitate to deport Palestinian refugees.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It is no choice between someone who disappoints me in their responses on this issue, and someone who openly wonders if sending a nuclear warhead into a hurricane a couple hundred miles offshore will lead to a positive result. And of course that was with where his mental state was at over 4 years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Every election in the US is that way. It's a choice of the lesser evil and you can only vote against the greater evil not vote for good.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (12 children)

I wish these .ml clowns would hold their impotent revolution stirring for ONE critical election. Once trump is gone and MAGA gets told they are unacceptable by a massive blue tsunami, then trump is completely into dementia before he gets another chance to lose, then you can go be a hero and fight against our interests at home in favor of....still doing genocide....or whatever ignorant magical change you think is going to happen instead.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If they're having their revolution by voting in an election they need to brush up on what a revolution is.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (5 children)

And then the next Trump will stand up, there is a long waiting line already.

What nees to change is the game, the rules. Elections should be counting ALL votes and comparing those, not voting for guys that will elect your guy. Elections should NOT be winner takes all, NOT first past the post. The US needs 30 political parties, not two, not three. The entire political system needs to be redesigned and rebuilt from the ground up

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Good, I hope it does some good. Any other vote is a vote for Trump, intended or not, and Trump won't just ignore the genocide. His track record makes it abundantly clear that he'll absolutely make it worse.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wow, this milkshake brings all the .ml to the yard.l

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 days ago (3 children)

And they're like, don't vote so hard.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 5 days ago (32 children)

Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon.

Watch the "a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide" crowd claim these Palestinian and Lebanese Americans support genocide in Palestine and Lebanon.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Tankies: "B-but now we can't swing the election to Trump with our constant whining and unrealistic demands!"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Trump will cause millions to die in the middle East and in Ukraine. Being pro peace and pro Trump is impossible. These people are either massive, massive morons or saboteurs.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 days ago (19 children)

Man, I hope this changes some minds, but it might be too little too late. She's had a lot of opportunities to turn things around with the Arab community, and she's flat out ignored all of them. I'm really worried this will be her version of Hillary's, "I don't need to campaign in the Rust Belt," decision.

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