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Genocide is the worst thing and should be a red line. Please do your best to not help erase that red line.
Question: Is genocide in Xinjiang a red line for you?
I already know what your answer's going to be, I'm just asking to highlight what your real goal here is.
I do not live in China and cannot do any advocacy related to Xinjiang. Though I will point out that there is not a genocide there. By now you should be able to recognize the differences. The mass killings, the videos, the diaspora, the intense censorship. We could discuss the ridiculous think tank and fake university apparatus that sold that lie with the US State Department, but to be frank, it is disgusting to distract from opposition to the genocide of Palestinians with this lazy attempt at a gotcha. Personally, I think you should apologize.
My real goal is to advocate against normalization of genocide in the US. I have organized actions and protests to this effect for over a year.
Do your best to at least not believe your own bullshitting.
Okay, so you're okay with genocide in Xinjiang, just not in Gaza. And your strategy for solving the genocide in Gaza is to let someone come into power who's even more pro-genocide that the tepid pro-genocide stance of the current Democrats. Dooming millions of innocent people who can't fight back to a catastrophe beyond even their present catastrophe.
So you're okay with certain genocides. And you don't want strategies that will avoid a huge escalation of the existing genocide in Gaza.
It honestly doesn't sound like you're very anti-genocide.
This is a lie and I will not respond until it is retracted.
You're right, technically you're okay with denying the genocide in Xinjiang, the genocide itself must cause some uncomfortable dissonance.
I'm happy to continue this discussion in another thread or via DM, as I would prefer to center Palestinians and their plight and not your interest in finding fictitious hypocrisy. Let me know if you make a thread.
It's not fictitious. You are a hypocrite and a disingenuous "idealist." Realists see through you.
You have already acknowledged that my supposed hypocrisy is fictitious, you just tried to then deflect to another criticism, i.e. denial. And I will engage with that criticism if you make another thread or go into DMs. But this thread is not about me or you, it is about the genocide of Palestinians.
Pay attention. You're addressing a different person. Your engagement is not needed. This is not up for debate. This is a statement of who you are.
When your input is desired again, your string will be pulled once more.
This is like 10 comments deep so yes I missed a new person jumping in to make the contribution of reiterating parent's sentiment and then launching unsupported insults.
If you would like to discuss this further, make a new thread and ping me. I'm not sure why I need to say this 3 times.
Is this like a little skit playing out in your head or something? Either way, again, the topic here is the genocide of Palestinians. I will be ignoring further off-topic replies.
Nah, my vote is you stay right here, not go slinking of to some safe space. You opened your gob, take your lumps, you disingenuous muppet.
You seem proud of your vote for someone genociding Palestinians
You sure are focused on genocide. So, you'll call out China's treatment of the Uyghurs, yes? The Russian genocide being committed in Ukraine right now? No? Not those genocides?
Run along, obvious muckraker.
Neither of those genocides and your reference to them cheapens the term and distracts from your actual knowing support for genocide. Instead of reaching for the quick excuse to stop thinking, do some introspection on why you are okay with normalizing genocide.
Out of respect, I would like to venter Palestinians and the genocide they are facing, but I will discuss what you'd like about China and Russia in another thread. Feel free to make one and link it here.
You failed a bit
Probably lol
Oh snap! You are a shill for emperor Pooh bear!? I didn't see that twist!
Lol. I love the "you got me, so let's take this discussion into privacy" line. What a joke.
They are free to make another thread and link it here. I am just not interested in distracting from the genocide on Palestinians here.
You can go start that thread if you'd like, feel free to ping me.
Translation: i got publicly slapped down hard and didn't like it, so I'm gonna act smug and superior while i take my ball and go home.
Nope I'm happy to have that discussion. Feel free to make a thread and ping me.
I know you, like the others, probably won't. This is because you have the situation completely reversed: this is a bad faith deflection that you cannot support and don't really care about. You are only interested to the extent that you can feel like it is a gotcha and use this to stop thinking about your complicity in genocide.
The reason why is because asking for a new thread is just you trying to hide. Odds are no one would see the new thread, and you're also putting the effort onto others knowing that it likely won't be done, so then you can act like you won. You're intentions are crystal clear though and you just look like a fool.
The reason why is because asking for a new thread is just you trying to hide. Odds are no one would see the new thread, and you're also putting the effort onto others knowing that it likely won't be done, so then you can act like you won. You're intentions are crystal clear though and you just look like a fool.
Through having a discussion in a public forum? Don't be silly.
You can link it here and they will see it if they are interested. Go ahead. I'm waiting.
It is unlikely it will be done because you don't really care about the tooic. It is just an excuse to stop thinking about your complicity in genocide.
Do you really think the "gotcha! You don't care about genocide you hypocrite!" line is coming from someone trying to actually engage on the Biden-Harris genocide of Palestine? Because it is obviously about deflection.
Feel free to make a thread and link it here. Go ahead.
Haha! Looks like you don't like the corner they backed you into, eh?
More like I know that conversation can easily go 10 comments deep so I suggested taking it elsewhere. I prefer to center the genocide of Palestine in this thread.
So far at least 3 people have responded but none have made a thread.
If you want to have that discussion feel free to make a thread and ping me. But like the others, I doubt you really mean what you say. It is just a thought terminating cliche that lets you forgive yourself for complicity in genocide.
Lol. I love the "you got me, so let's take this discussion into privacy" line. What a joke.
Fucking 🤡
Go away.
Please do your best to engage in good faith and avoid namecalling.
Yes. BadA + BadB < BadA
Unconditional support for genocide cannot be made any more maximalist. There is no BadB to add.
Yeah there is. Genocide vs Genocide with agenda 2025.
The genocide itself cannot be made more maximalist. You mean there is another category.
I reject that argumentation as well, as genocide should be a red line. You don't get to come back from that. You cannot put salve on that wound so easily. Look at yourself in the mirror and see if you can withstand it. And if you can, ask yourself why anyone should look to you for solidarity and what you would be doing in Germany 1930, in the US in 1855. Would you be the abolitionist? Would you be the person fighting against fascists? Or would you be the "pragmatist" supporting regulation of slavery, the Whigs, and compromise with monarchists and liberals?
Forget all your precious instructions and pretend youre a sane human being
You should be against genocide, not trying to bother those who are
Your comprehension is sorely lacking. I don't understand why you bother talking to people when you can clearly only hear your own voice. This is a pointless discussion so I'll bow out now. Good luck to you
You should be against genocide
Here's a wee block for the Sealion
"How dare you tell me to be against genocide"
When there aren't any Palestinians left when Trump gets elected I hope you revisit your opinions and I hope you you can't look yourself in the mirror. I know it feels great acting morally superior, but your not sacrificing your own life. Your sacrificing others lives for that feeling. It doesn't hurt you, so you can keep pretending like you're better than others for "drawing a line" but you're not the people who are being killed and Trump is saying to finish.
You're assuming this person is arguing in good faith and doesn't want this genocide to be kicked up a notch.
I mean imagine trying to argue that it's not possible to do that. I mean read a fucking WW2 history book for fuck sake
The Biden-Harris administration is genociding Palestinians. I am not supporting any genociders. I work against them instead of attempting to support one or the other. I can easily look myself in the mirror, I am satisfied with my work.
Oh? Tell me more about what I do and what I risk, anonymous internet stranger. You have, presumably, doxxed me. Let's see the deets.
Should I tell this to my Palestinian compatriots that are nothing but contemptuous for those justifying supporting genociders?
Sure, but you better make sure that you do it before January 6th, because if Trump wins, it is not going to take very long for Netanyahu to kill every Palestinian in Gaza.
But I'm sure by then you will have found some way to absolve yourself (either that, or it's literally the outcome you want).
Netanyahu already has unconditional support from the US. You cannot just pretend your way into putting a bigger gun to someone's head. The Biden-Harris regime is genociding Gaza and rather than oppose it, you are defending them.
I require no absolution, I work against genocide.
You betray your guilty conscience with your incredibly selective responses, though.
This is so idiotic and completely ahistorical. You're giving away the game here. Again.
Please, tell me more about Germany in the 1930s and how, after they murdered the trans folks, and the gays, and then the socialist (yeah, they were pretty high up on the list), the genocide just could not have gotten worse.
Please, I'd love to hear more.
Palestine is already being ethnically cleansed and Israel is bombing 3 of its neighbors and invading one. All of this happens with the permission and necessary support of the Biden-Harris administration and it is maximalist.
Under the Nazis in WWII, the "final solution" was actually fairly ad hoc. It was not the original plan, of which there were several that they scrambled around for, some of which were simply made unfeasible, like The Madagascar Plan. There were also plans to create reservations, modeled after the US system. Oppressing their primary scapegoat was the consistent plan, but it's exact form was easily negotiable among them, it was not seen as a core necessity to run an extermination campaign or complete expulsion. Presumably you, someone being very condescending to me about history because I tell you not to support genocide, is aware of this.
Israel is actually different in thus regard. It's existence has always been premised on the displacement and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population. Its founders spoke and wrote openly of this and participated in pogroms of Palestinians. The Zionist entity is not suddenly doing genocide, it has been for decades, it has just dialed it up to a maximalist degree given its capabilities and interest in self-preservation. But do not forget that it has never stopped expanding and engaging in settler-colonialism, never stopped engaging in pogroms, never stopped dividing The West Bank into concentration camps, districts smaller than those in Apartheid South Africa, never stopped considering Palestinians subhuman.
Be on the right side of history.
Are you writing this comment while outside actively protesting the genocide? Cause if not, then you're literally doing nothing to stop this. And no, voting third party might ease your conscience, but it's not actually doing anything for Palestinians. Like... 200+ years of pointlessly voting third party has pretty much proved that. But you use words such as "pogroms" and you believe you're right so most likely nothing I say will change your mind. But it might sway whoever reads this, so... Here's to hoping your bullshit gets understood as such.
I do much more than protest.
I agree that what I am asking people here to do is a very low bar! Just not supporting genocide is very little to ask. It can be accomplished passively. So can you commit to not voting for Harris and to not tell other people to do so?
Voting for an anti-genocide candidate signals being against genocide. It is important to build the power of that group and for Democrats to internalize, to at least some degree, that genocide is unacceptable.
Is that do? What happened to the Whigs?
They are pogroms. Do not out them in quotes unless you are denying that they happen.
Never again means never again for anyone.