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Why are so many Pro-Palestine (I am pro-Palestine and anti-genocide) Americans refusing to vote for Harris due to her stance on Israel? (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This is why we call it "bad faith actor."

At least after the election your type will crawl back from the hole they wriggled out of.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

No but seriously, does it not make you angry that the Dems are willing to gamble votes if it means they can keep helping Israel murder children? Genocide is that important to them? These are the people who are supposed to be better than that. If that doesn't make you angry then I don't think I'm the one acting in bad faith. Criticize my smiley face all you want, I'm not the one gambling with the future of the country and we both have every right to be angry about that :-).

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You want my 300 page thesis why the democrats can suck my balls?

The vote isn't about me getting all my desires then retiring in a utopia. It's about steering the country in a direction. Right now the tracks are set to fascism and plutocracy. You want to be mad get mad in time for the primary and get kamala out. Which should have been joe this season but the electorate thinks the way to win is through extorting the psychopaths that climbed their way into government.

Nah, I cant be mad that the country founded on genocide and slavery is still invested in hate. I can't be mad the electorate that elected Trump still exists. I'm mad that come February I will hear only crickets and the giant shit sandwich we all consume every 4 years will be forgotten.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I disagree with equating "I can't vote for a president who wants to continue to help commit a genocide" as "I expect a utopia and will settle for nothing less". I'm not going to vote for Jill Stein or whichever third party candidate, but I don't blame people who do. I blame party leadership for their failures. If they have a better vision for the future, it is their job to convince people that they are the best for the job. Right now, Dems are choosing to gamble their own votes so they can keep helping fascists commit a genocide and what increasingly appears to be a war of expansion and conquest in Lebanon.

get mad in time for the primary

Hell yeah. I have voted in every primary I could since I hit age 18.

I cant be mad that the cou try founded on genocide and slavery is still invested in hate.

You can, and you should be. Being mad isn't the same as being surprised.

I'm mad that come February I will hear only crickets and the giant shit sandwich we all consume every 4 years will be forgotten.

Totally agree on this point, and I don't know why you assume that I'm one of the many who choose to spend four years at brunch before starting to care about politics again.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because you're fighting me on the fact that the people are the ones with true power.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm arguing against the idea that electing Kamala, then expecting to be able to move her left after the election, is a viable plan. If more people didn't tune out once January rolls around, then maybe it would be more feasible. But you and i are in agreement that a lot of people simply tune out once the election is over. Libs who protested kids in cages under Trump ignored kids in cages under Biden.

Voters have leverage now. If Kamala wants our votes, then believe me I would be thrilled to see her earn them.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's a false leverage. The only thing it will do is make things worse for yourself. That was plain from the onset.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Why is kamala willing to lose rather than earn more votes from the left then?