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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Cuba never lived up to its side of the deal. Free and fair elections were not held, prisoners were not released and the safe haven for terrorists was maintained. Takes two to tango. Still, their present situation is not due to an embargo. That's. Simply their excuse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly, even China is getting tired of Cuba because it does not want to implement economic reform. But it spends that money on building hotels or on luxuries for the island's political elite.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What deal in specific are you talking about here?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There were high level diplomatic discussions between the US and Cuba in 2016. The result of which Raul Castro announced he would not stand for re election. Fidel, who was still alive, seemed good with this. Then, the brothers Castro re reversed themselves. They conducted the same old shame elections. As usual, they wanted their cake and eat it too. Congress, particularly Cuban American members, became more more reluctant to continue the diplomatic thaw.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok, so no actual deal right? Just discussions. Gotcha.

So in the absence of any actual deal that was supposedly reneged on Cuba's part. What's the justification of the sanctions imposed by Trump and Biden, and it's continuation of it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No actual documents exist for the diplomc thaw. If you want those, fill out an FOI request. Otherwise, the congressional journal will have to do.

Here's your justification

https://www.state.gov/reports/country-reports-on-terrorism-2019/cuba/#:~:text=Overview%3A%20Cuba%20was%20designated%20as,guerrilla%20groups%20and%20individual%20terrorists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No actual documents exist for the diplomc thaw.

Because they don't exist.

You're link is for 2019. Biden ran in 2020 and he included in his platform to move towards normalizing relationships with Cuba. He has since decided to impose even more sanctions which had a direct negative result on the Cuban economy making them much more vulnerable to disasters like this. So again, what are the justifications of the sanctions?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They do exist. There were at least 4 rounds of diplomatic discussions. Notes were taken.

The link still stands at State. It's the current position.

What new sanctions? Specifics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They do exist. There were at least 4 rounds of diplomatic discussions. Notes were taken.

Ok so show me evidence of this supposed deal then.

The link still stands at State. It’s the current position.

And Biden campaigned on changing it but broke that promise.

What new sanctions? Specifics.

It's literally in the article as well as one of the excerpts I quoted to you in my first comment:

Instead, Biden has one-upped Trump by going further than the previous administration in attacking Cuba’s tourism industry – the main engine of the island’s economy. Two years ago, the Biden State Department barred foreigners who visit Cuba from visa-free travel to the U.S.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thats not new, the US can and does bar travel in the US based on previous travel. Post 911, if you visit a terrorist state, you don't get to roam the US. But, it's interesting that you blame Cuba's electrical grid failure on it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok now you're really just being intentionally obtuse. The terrorist designation was older than the Biden administration. The limitations on the tourism was during the Biden administration.

But, it’s interesting that you blame Cuba’s electrical grid failure on it.

I blame American sanctions on Cuba's inability to adequately help it's people during a disaster, yes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not obtuse, it's a fact. Maybe just realized as a fact, but a fact nonetheless.

First, the way the Caribbean countries work, the original ownership countries are supposed to help out after disasters and sometimes they dont. So the british are reactive usually. France sometimes. Dutch do what they can. US should always be there for Puerto Rico and the VI.

I guess it would be Spain for Cuba. Have they asked? Has Cuba asked the US? Personally I'd be all for helping. To a point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s not obtuse, it’s a fact. Maybe just realized as a fact, but a fact nonetheless.

Show me evidence of this supposed fact of yours then.

I guess it would be Spain for Cuba. Have they asked? Has Cuba asked the US?

An intentional deflection from the point of US sanctions harming Cuba's ability to support itself after a natural disaster. But to entertain your question, yes they did ask.

Personally I’d be all for helping. To a point.

No you just want to tie your views on humanitarian aid to political beliefs, and not actual humanitarian ones. It's abundantly clear you're not able to see America do anything wrong on the world stage and instead insist that everything it's done is justified but fail to actually provide the justifications.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

yes they did ask

They asked for money? That's kind of funny. They know Congress would never give them money.

No, actually I'd be for it, to a point. Had a friend of mine piloting a hurricane hunter during the height of tensions with Cuba. He was in the middle of a storm run and lost an engine. An oh shit moment and declared an emergency. Cuba gave himn permission to land, gave him coffee, fixed the plane, sent him on his way. Cuba watches NOAA and appreciates it.

But, not money. They can buy food and medical supplies from us, so maybe a small line of credit. Congress would be needed for that BTW

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I see nothing funny about a country whose in abject poverty, thanks to foreign interference, be in a dire situation due to a natural disaster.

They know Congress would never give them money.

Kinda the point, no?

They can buy food and medical supplies from us

With what fucking money?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The expectation is funny, considering Congress hasn't financed disaster recovery in the US yet.

Its not the US taxpayer's problem if Cuba can't afford something. If you've ever visited the Caribbean you would know there are a lot of countries on a tight budget.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The expectation is funny, considering Congress hasn't financed disaster recovery in the US yet.

What? What are you even talking about here?

Its not the US taxpayer's problem if Cuba can't afford something. If you've ever visited the Caribbean you would know there are a lot of countries on a tight budget.

It is, when they apply international pressure to sanction them and forcing the entire country into poverty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What? What are you even talking about here?

Congress is not in session, and hasn't passed a bill to pay the damages from two hurricanes.

It is, when they apply international pressure to sanction them and forcing the entire country into poverty.

BS. There is no international pressure.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

And yet, the US just announced foreign aid to Gaza the other day.

BS. There is no international pressure.

Just read the article man. This is just getting sad. I feel like I'm talking to a MAGA voter with the amount of deflection and fanaticism you're displaying. And I haven't even touched on all the misinformation I had to call you out on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Congress assigned money to be used by State some time ago.

I feel like the MAGA guys may not be wrong about about this woke thing. Though they do have Blame America instead of Blame Erybody Not US, it's still nativisum

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok so foreign aid can still be distributed. Thanks for helping me prove my point.

And yeah, you would think that way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When congress passes a foreign aid bill, it doesn't just open the wallet. The destination and conditions are stipulated.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

it doesn’t just open the wallet.

It kind of does.

The Office of Foreign Assistance is responsible for the supervision and overall strategic direction of foreign assistance programs administered by the U.S. Department of State and U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).

See what I mean about how much misinformation you generate? How about your next reply comes with sources and backed up facts?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

USAID is different than the humanitarian aid Gaza got. USAID is for specific projects at the department of states discretion. There are rules for what qualifies. For instance Egypt may need telecom cable and dont have the wherewithal, so they put in a USAID request. Theres a limited amount in USAID. I dont have time to teach you more.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont have time to teach you more.

No, you just have time to make up random facts and without sources. Again.

For instance Egypt may need telecom cable and dont have the wherewithal, so they put in a USAID request.

Similar to how Cuba asked for aid?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you actually knew how government funding works then I would have time.

No, In the case of Cuba they would not qualify for USAID even if they did fill out the paperwork. In addition, even if they did qualify USAID funds are sometimes not available for years.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks for once again not providing me anything substantive. Arguing with you is truly a pathetic waste of time.