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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The free market is going very well here

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This is 100% capitalism. It's not free market to have a goverment-enforced monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (9 children)

This is textbook late stage free market ideals at work. This is how the free market always ends.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (7 children)

X - ~~The system is broken.~~

✅ - The system is working exactly as intended and must be destroyed.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

When did it start?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You are correct. There would be no copyrights or patents in a free market.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, the huge companies would dominate over small companies even more than they already do.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Copyrights and patents are literally government enforced monopolies for huge companies. Without them, there would be a lot more competition.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Really? Calling it a government enforced monopoly seems very disingenuous.

Good luck trying to make a movie without Disney stealing it or making an invention with really effective solar panels or something without the biggest companies stealing it and bankrupt the original creator.

Copyright and patents protect everyone involved in creation and while there are a LOT of problems with the systems. Removing it entirely seems like the biggest overcorrection possible.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Or trade secrets. "Perfect information" is a bitch. Not to speak of "perfectly rational actors": Say goodbye to advertisement, too, we'd have to outlaw basically all of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you telling me that the axioms behind the simplistic model are wrong?? shocked-pikachu.jpg

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not so much that they're wrong is that they're impossible in practice. Axioms, by their very nature, cannot be justified from within the system that they serve so "true" or "false" aren't really applicable.

The model does have its justification, "given these axioms, we indeed get perfect allocation of resources", that's not wrong it's a mathematical truth, and there's a strain of liberalism (ordoliberalism) which specifically says "the state should regulate so that the actually existing market more closely approximates this mythical free market unicorn", which is broadly speaking an immensely sensible take and you'll have market socialists nodding in agreement, yep, that's a good idea.

And then there's another strain (neoliberalism) which basically says "lul we'll tell people that 'free market' means 'unregulated market' so we can be feudal lords and siphon off infinite amounts of resources from the plebs".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Wrong as in not sound. An argument can be valid assuming its assumptions are true. The argument is the model, which really is a set of arguments. Its assumptions which are taken axiomatically are as you say impossible, therefore they are not true (which I called wrong). So the argument is not sound. I'm not saying anything different than what you said really, just used informal language. ☺️

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To be fair, we absolutely should outlaw at least 99% of all currently practiced forms of advertising and make it so that new forms of advertising have to be whitelisted by a panel of psychiatrists, sociologists, environmentalists and urban planners before they're allowed.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (31 children)

What's government enforced about it? Is ARM the only allowed chip designer for cellphones?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

license enforcement is a thing because if someone bypasses it you can sue them, which is a government interaction. Technically, claiming X means nothing if there's no one that enforces your claim.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes but that rule protects you the same as it does them. They can be a monopoly if nobody else can get their chips sold but they cannot be a government enforced monopoly unless nobody else is allowed to sell chips.

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