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It isn't a scam, just incredibly mismanaged. Chris Robert's has a very hard time saying "this is good enough" and that makes the company bleed money as they repeatedly remake things. People then don't tell Chris no. They weren't making a good space Sim, they were making the best darn space Sim evah! Their wages aren't great and now they are trying to push illegal levels of crunch time till they got caught.
They've completely redone the flight model several times to various levels of success. Time frames get so damm long that they have to go back and remake huge chunks of the game in order to keep things up to snuff graphically.
I get the feeling that they never felt the need to stress out about timelines as the funding kept rolling in, in fact the funding accelerated over time! The game has 183 different ships all designed down to the tiniest detail in the game right now. That's a fuck ton of work hours, but ship sales gets the funding rolling so they have to keep cranking out new ships.
I do really like playing the game, but it is really a shitshow for management. There was one point where they had to throw away a massive amount of work because one studio was making things that didn't fit the metrics for scale and animation of the rest of the game.
Edit: and ships are a dumb thing to buy anyway! You can earn them in game anyway for really not all that much work. It's the most cost inefficient grind skip I've ever seen in a game.
this is just a long winded way of saying it's a scam. if you ask for money promising something and you have no plan of delivering, it's a scam.
they have to keep developing and redeveloping because they have a bunch of idiots with more money than sense pumping money to them. if they actually finish the game and release it chances are revenue will come crashing down. selling a promise is much better than selling a finished product because people like to wishcast and throw money at their own hopes and imagination. anything missing they fill in the blanks. surely the game will deliver eventually.
It's a scam.
Where does he say "have no plan of delivering", out of interest? I've re read it a few times and can't find that.
what's the plan? when is it coming out? no one has to say it; there's no plan.
It is out, get on youtube and watch someone play.
it's out? I can finally buy the finished product? awesome! I couldn't find it on steam though. surely it must have come out on steam, such a big release.
maybe I'm typing "star citizen" wrong. could you link me to the store page? thank you for informing me, I'm so ready to take back everything I said once I start playing.
considering the amount of people already playing SC, I wouldn't expect it to be on steam, but that's also not what they said, is it?
must be the world's worst scam if they are actually spending money to make something.
i don't care about people alpha testing unfinished games. I've been talking about release. they said "it's out". where is it. what's the plan. when was it finished. why is it not out. stop trying to feed me bullshit, you're confusing me with someone who lives on hype alone. if I were I'd be playing the star citizen half-game myself.
I mean you don't live on hype, neither do i, but you do live on hate, as someone else here already pointed out, in fact you seem to engaged by hating this game, and anyone who likes it, it seems unhealthy. idk, maybe do some introspection if the yearly star citizen clickbait makes you rage to this degree and consider not using the web for a while, and seeing the rest of your comments across the site only backs up this assessment.
you have called for people to be jailed due to not making the games you want, ffs
hate? what's with you guys weirdly anthropomorphizing a game that's only maybe halfway done in a decade? you got too invested, too attached maybe, that someone calling it a scam seems "hateful" however that works? rage? lol wtf have you seen anyone rage before, mate? calling something a scam is not personal, it's not even an attack. and it's definitely something I live on. I have called people to be jailed for swindling.
how much money has this game extracted from dummies over the past decade? how much money's worth is "playable"? I was gonna say "out" since that was the original claim but obviously the answer is zero. the games not out. but I'll settle for playable since apparently you guys have already given up hope on an actual release and have settled on playing half baked demos bit by bit.
pointing out that you're being scammed is not hate. it's a wake up call. I understand though, an alarm clock seems hateful to me too when I'm enjoying my dream too much.
you should see me talk about the cybertruck.
you called Ubisoft to be jailed because they dissolved your favorite game studios, also your entire basis in calling it a scam is it not being done in a time span to your liking, what else is this but a poor excuse for you to dogpile some hate on something other?
sorry i didnt realize you were rummaging through my comment history to find something to attack because you cant come up with a good argument in the relevant conversation so i thought you meant i was talking about this scam.
I don't know what depths of your ass you pulled that the team of the latest prince of persia is my "favorite game studio". I think you should be jailed for playing with people's livelihoods despite their success merely for more profit, yes.
a time span to my liking? how about any time span? tell me when it's coming out mate. where's the plan? you don't know why I'm calling it a scam, you don't know what I criticized about it... why is it so hard for you to follow a conversation?
I wouldn't say running through, I did see it while looking at other stuff tho
and yes, a time span to your liking, because you clearly don't actually care about any of the work they are doing, so by your definition anything you see that's not already done the first time you see it is a scam that should get someone tossed in jail
the first time I see it?
you think this is the first motherfucking gameplay video that I've seen from this motherfucking game in ten motherfucking years?
no one said anything about a time span to my liking.
either read the conversation you're trying to contribute to or just stop talking about irrelevant shit.
I'm asking for the plan.
#where's the plan, lebowski? where's the fucking plan?
Are you asking this about any other games? GTA6 doesn't have a release date yet, do you have the same worry?
... Genuinely, I do see the difference between the two, but it's weird to me that people are calling it out for things that aren't said. They say enough; if you can't make complaints based on reality, that's a bit lazy.
Edit: for what it's worth, I'll "move the goalposts" on this one if you come back with some nonsense around how they haven't delivered anything yet. I've played a fair few hours on my ship (probably a few hundred over the last decade), despite not having invested millions of pounds.
I don't know how gta6 fits here. if they did the same thing yes I would absolutely call it a scam.
Sorry, I'm confusing a conversation I saw the other day that said we'd have had two GTAs in the same time star citizen had been in development for. Weird comparison.
Do you think they don't intend to deliver? If so, we fundamentally disagree.
Mismanagement or bad planning is not a scam.
Why is this a scam?
yes it is. if you're asking for money you should have a reasonable plan for paying it off. you can't just take money and say well, let's just see how things turn out.
well, you clearly can, but I'm not gonna pretend it's legit