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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

A) Has Biden markedly improved your day to day life or indicated a massive amount of progressive changes to the system?

B) Is the system likely to radically change away from corporate control/lobbying and towards a strong government agenda any time soon?

If you answered no to both these questions, you should understand why people want Trump in. He represents radical change, a concentration of government power in the executive branch. Sweeping changes under the guise of helping "real Americans" and harming the usual scapegoats (immigrants, gangs, socialists).

That's the thing; Harris has played towards a center that is greatly weakened/absent in times of political division (she's not selling herself as being a progressive change, like for instance Obama did with his HOPE campaign).

Where as Trump has played to the far-right, which is actually present and there in divided times like this.

You have to play to the side that's there if you want enthusiasm.

Harris didn't play towards progressives who want change (Bernie Sanders crowd). So they're only voting to prevent Trump's fascism, not because they actively expect sweeping progress from Harris (who champions establishment causes like border control and Israel).

She hasn't escaped Biden and the status-quo corporate grind. Trump has escaped his conscience about appearing centrist. Division serves him, counts against her, because she's playing to the absent center, where he's not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

These are all good points, but it's really not that complicated. Imagine if there were only two NFL football teams. The right are simply die-hard fans of their team and nothing will sway them to change their allegiance to the other side. Nothing.

Policy doesn't mean shit to them.

Integrity doesn't mean shit to them.

The Constitution doesn't mean shit to them.

Upholding a democracy doesn't mean shit to them.

As long as "their team" wins, that's all that matters. That's are not smart people we're dealing with here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

If that is the case, it's still a better ratio in the US than in Israel. Israel has a solid majority of far right supporters, the left have no possibility of winning over there.

Hope my society goes the European route of having multi party democracies such as the Open List Proportional representation systems in like, Germany, or wven further afield like in Japan.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He represents radical change, a concentration of government power in the executive branch. Sweeping changes under the guise of helping “real Americans” and harming the usual scapegoats (immigrants, gangs, socialists).

While we know Trump is a conman, I would understand this as a rationale for those that didn't believe he was a conman, except we've already HAD 4 years of a Trump Presidency. If he was promising these great reforms for the little guy, why didn't he do any of them in the 4 years he was in office? Why do people think this time will be different?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's not rational, it's based on feelings.

You're not dealing with rational fact based thinkers. You're dealing with people who see him as a proven common type person who shoots from the hip.

... and they don't mean he's common in that he's poor. They see him as honest/common/like them BECAUSE he shoots off hit takes and says things other politicians wouldn't.

That's why they love it qhen he says hlw crappy Detroit is IN Detroit. He's done similar in several cities now, and they see this as proof he's like them. They're down, he's down. They want to MAGA, he wants to MAGA.

The thing that stopped him last time was all these deep state lawsuits.

Again, these are not rational people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

All that said, maybe it is a rational response to that Black Mirror episode about social credits.