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Mazda's $10 subscription for remote start sparks backlash after killing open source workaround via DMCA takedown (www.carscoops.com)

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Mazda recently surprised customers by requiring them to sign up for a subscription in order to keep certain services. Now, notable right-to-repair advocate Louis Rossmann is calling out the brand.

It’s important to clarify that there are two very different types of remote start we’re talking about here. The first type is the one many people are familiar with where you use the key fob to start the vehicle. The second method involves using another device like a smartphone to start the car. In the latter, connected services do the heavy lifting.

Transition to paid services

What is wild is that Mazda used to offer the first option on the fob. Now, it only offers the second kind, where one starts the car via phone through its connected services for a $10 monthly subscription, which comes to $120 a year. Rossmann points out that one individual, Brandon Rorthweiler, developed a workaround in 2023 to enable remote start without Mazda’s subscription fees.

However, according to Ars Technica, Mazda filed a DMCA takedown notice to kill that open-source project. The company claimed it contained code that violated “[Mazda’s] copyright ownership” and used “certain Mazda information, including proprietary API information.”

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The car itself should never come with something that will require recurring payments.

Cars already do. Satellite radio has been a thing for decades now. I've never used it. Never felt the desire to use it. I haven't even taken the free trial. I'm less annoyed that it exists, and more annoyed that I'm forever fated to receive unsolicited junk mail for this feature that I have to unceremoniously dump in the recycling bin every couple weeks.

As for the remote start, yeah, it's kinda bullshit that they've removed the more permanent, older version of a feature to replace it with something out of the owners' control. If anything, it should exist in parallel with the key fob button, not replace it entirely. I'm less concerned about the fact that it's a subscription than I am about the prospect of that feature dropping support down the road with no recourse for the owner.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your SiriusXM subscription doesn't go to the manufacturer of the car. This is what they referred to as aftermarket subscriptions in their comment. It isn't any different than if I subscribe to spotify Snr then connect my phone to the car to use it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

SiriusXM does revenue share with auto companies.) Old article, but I'm too lazy to dig through a financial report or find something newer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fair enough but I still view it differently than being locked out of using actual OEM features of the car. I do find this unsurprising though based on the metric fuckton of spam you get from SiriusXM after buying any new or used car from a legit dealer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I still view it differently than being locked out of using actual OEM features of the car

Totally agree!

I do find this unsurprising though based on the metric fuckton of spam you get from SiriusXM after buying any new or used car from a legit dealer.

I've always wondered how much this costs relative to the number of takers they pull in.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I haven't even taken the free trial.

Download this app:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.siriusxm.dealer

If you don't have the means of faking your location with root (not through developer settings), drive to, like, any nearby car dealership.
Open the app, tap the "Enter Radio ID" button, and... do that.
Profit!

No sign-up or account required. You will have full service for 3 months.

You can repeat this process indefinitely. It has worked for years. They do not care.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m forever fated to receive unsolicited junk mail for this feature that I have to unceremoniously dump in the recycling bin every couple weeks.

Imagining a future in which I have to tell my YouTube integrated car company that I don't want to sign up for their music service every time I start my car.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imagine if you lived in a country where a simple note taped to your mailbox would eliminate all junk mail.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where would that be?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Netherlands, at least.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Does it work out for you? I'm German, and in theory the sticker has to be respected here too, but in my experience a lot of junk mail bets on me being too lazy to sue them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It seems to be working pretty well. There's the occasional transgression, but by and large we only get spam that is actually addressed to us.