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I’ll give that a look, thanks!
Edit: This looks like a JavaScript library rather than a serious API standard.
I don't know what you mean by an API standard, but yes, it is technically a JavaScript library. But that's only an implementation detail and the spirit of htmx is that you write very little JavaScript. Javascript is simply used to extend the HTML standard to support the full concept of hypermedia for interactive applications. An htmx-driven application embraces hypertext as the engine of application state, rather than the common thick client SPAs hitting data APIs. In such a model, clients are truly thin clients and very little logic of their own. Instead, view logic is driven by the server. It has been around for quite a long time and is very mature.
It's fundamentally different than most JavaScript libraries out there, which are focused on thick clients by and large.
I’m discussing APIs that can be consumed by others, not something for my frontend to use.
My frontend uses Hotwire — I’m not using GraphQL as some Node.js guy writing the entire frontend in JavaScript.
I think you’re discussing PWA technologies where I’m trying to talk about web APIs.
Ah I see, my bad. You mentioned Ruby on rails and GraphQL so I assumed you were talking about some kind of MPA situation.
Yeah htmx doesn't replace data APIs for sure. Still not a fan of GraphQL for that purpose for the reasons above. There's a lot of good options for RPC stuff, or even better, you can use message queues. GraphQL is just a bad idea for production systems, IMO.
Yeah everyone says this then I look around at REST APIs (as a consumer and developer) and 99% are trash.
I’m loving GraphQL mainly for “take only what you need” and type definitions. Every other standard I can find has some crummy gem, serializers that need to be hacked because they never work out of the box, etc.
As soon as my experience changes maybe I’ll change my mind, but I’ve had to develop some REST APIs using Ruby and Rails and wasn’t happy. Meanwhile my side projects using GraphQL are just incredible, and I don’t want to kill myself after developing it.
I wasn't suggesting making JSON "REST" APIs (not actually REST, more accurately you might call them JSON data APIs or something). I meant protocols that are specifically meant for RPC, like gRPC, JSON-RPC, etc. Or message queues like RabbitMQ.