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Sometimes I’ll run into a baffling issue with a tech product — be it headphones, Google apps like maps or its search features, Apple products, Spotify, other apps, and so on — and when I look for solutions online I sometimes discover this has been an issue for years. Sometimes for many many years.

These tech companies are sometimes ENORMOUS. How is it that these issues persist? Why do some things end up being so inefficient, unintuitive, or clunky? Why do I catch myself saying “oh my dear fucking lord” under my breath so often when I use tech?

Are there no employees who check forums? Does the architecture become so huge and messy that something seemingly simple is actually super hard to fix? Do these companies not have teams that test this stuff?

Why is it so pervasive? And why does some of it seem to be ignored for literal years? Sometimes even a decade!

Is it all due to enshittification? Do they trap us in as users and then stop giving a shit? Or is there more to it than that?

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[–] [email protected] 131 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I worked at Google for over a decade. The issue isn't that the engineers are unaware or unable. Time and time and time again there would be some new product or feature released for internal testing, it would be a complete disaster, bugs would be filed with tens of thousands of votes begging not to release it, and Memegen would go nuts. And all the feedback would be ignored and it would ship anyway.

Upper management just doesn't care. Reputational damage isn't something they understand. The company is run by professional management consultants whose main expertise is gaslighting. And the layers and layers of people in the middle who don't actually contribute any value have to constantly generate something to go into the constant cycle of performance reviews and promotion attempts, so they mess with everything, re-org, cancel projects, move teams around, duplicate work, compete with each other, and generally make life hell for everyone under them. It's surprising anything gets done at all, but what does moves at a snail's pace compared to the outside world. Not for lack of effort, the whole system is designed so you have to work 100 times harder than necessary and it feels like an accomplishment when you've spent a year adding a single checkbox to a UI.

I may have gone on a slight tangent there.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago

I fucking hate how accurate this is

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Reputational damage isn’t something they understand

Is this really the case? I feel like they might, but are deciding that its "worth the cost of business"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd think since companies get big enough they can just buy the promising competition before it becomes a problem, I'd say it's a worthwhile cost to them

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, lack of competition is driving a lot of this. Fixing bugs doesn’t increase their stock value. It doesn’t make the line go up.

Launching products and bragging about profits makes the line go up (especially just before a quarter or monthly report is due).

AT&T/Bell Telephone was like this for years until they were finally broken up (nominally). When cellphones came out and provided nationwide competition, long distance suddenly became free.

We need to bust up google, Facebook, etc. They have nothing to push them to be better, just CEO egos and investors to please.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Facebook as a product is over. It's like 90% ads. I almost never see my friends posts anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Its marketplace has been really popular in my area. Craigslist has all but dried up for may item types.

But they own Instagram as well don’t forget, and they have bought out many other competitors that we won’t ever get to experience.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

I ran into a guy from high school and it turns out he worked for Microsoft back in the Windows Mobile days. He said that changing even a single button on a submenu would take six months of meetings, and if it involved other departments they would actively sabotage any progress due to the way MS internally made departments compete, so you could basically forget it. He said they literally backdoored software so they could sidestep other departments to get features in.

I think about that a lot.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

A corporate analogy/strategy is to block your competition from the market share.

For example, a company I used to work for would open accounts in non-viable/non-profitable locations so that our competition would not have the chance to get more market share.

Big corps don't give a shit if it works or not, as long as they are the biggest they can squeeze out anyone else, so they will launch whatever is trending (meta/threads) and bullshit thier way into another piece of the pie.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

This sounds like working as a North American public servant hahahahaha

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is what you get when humans try to work beyond our monkeysphere. It's not "capitalism" or "greed" or any other such childish ideas. Groups that large cannot be efficient.

https://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html

The article is so old the formatting is all jacked, but you can get the jist of it easily enough.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

But the trick is having layers of monkey spheres! The ceo monkey has 20 directors below it and each of those has 20 people leading people so it all reports up and gets lost but is "good enough".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

except capitalism incentivises top down organizations that lead to those problems?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It ain't that bad I'm sure