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I saw a post recently about someone setting up parental controls -- screentime, blocked sites, etc. -- and it made me wonder.

In my childhood, my free time was very flexible. Within this low-pressure flexibility I was naturally curious, in all directions -- that meant both watching brainteaser videos, and watching Gmod brainrot. I had little exposure to video games other than Minecraft which ran poorly on my machine, so I tended to surf Flash games and YouTube.

Strikingly, while watching a brainteaser video, tiny me had a thought:

I'm glad my dad doesn't make me watch educational videos like the other kids in school have to.

For some reason, I wanted to remember that to "remember what my thought process was as a child" so that memory has stuck with me.

Onto the meat: if I had had a capped screentime, like a timer I could see, and knew that I was being watched in some way, I'd feel pressure. For example,

10 minutes left. Oh no. I didn't have fun yet. I didn't have fun yet!!

Oh no, I'm gonna get in so much trouble for watching another YTP...

and maybe that pressure wouldn't have made me into an independent, curious kid, to the person I am now. Maybe it would've made me fearful or suspicious instead. I was suspicious once, when one of my parents said "I can see what you browse from the other room" -- so I ran the scientific method to verify if they were. (I wrote "HI MOM" on Paint, and tested if her expression changed.)

So what about now? Were we too free, and now it's our job to tighten the next generation? I said "butthead" often. I loved asdfmovie, but my parents probably wouldn't have. I watched SpingeBill YTPs (at least it's not corporatized YouTube Kids).

Or differently: do we watch our kids without them knowing? Write a keylogger? Or just take router logs? Do we prosecute them like some sort of panopticon, for their own good?

Or do we completely forgo this? Take an Adventure Playground approach?

Of course, I don't expect a one-size-fits-all answer. Where do you stand, and why?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

My upbringing was extremely "do what you want, but deal with the consequences."

"You can watch an R-rated horror movie, but don't come to me if you can't sleep at night"-type of situation.

My impression has generally been that my freedom to do what I want let me learn a lot about decision making, responsibility, curiosity, and modern survival skills like Googling things. I'm genuinely baffled by how poorly some people my age use the computer and find things on Google, and I somewhat suspect many of them probably simply haven't had the opportunity to explore technology on their own. And a lot of my hobbies were developed exactly because I allowed to do what I wanted when I was a child.

As for children doing stupid shit and searching up things that aren't appropriate for their age, my thought has generally been, why is it the parent's role to keep that from the child? I strongly believe that a parent's role is to prepare the child to be a functional adult, not to baby them.

I acknowledge that all children are different, and perhaps there are some cases in which having parental controls would help. But I think my life would be duller if I were raised with parental controls.

Edit: having read some of the other comments, I think there's 2 aspects to the question of parental control. The first is the aspect of children learning about age-inappropriate things, which I've mainly been focusing on. The other is the aspect of discipline and management (ie, preventing your children from spending 12 hours on YouTube). I think people have made interesting points about this aspect, and I respect their opinions. I personally agree with BananaKing's take that parental controls is the wrong tool for the job. Train your children properly and you shouldn't need to use parental controls to control their screen time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Train your children properly and you shouldn’t need to use parental controls to control their screen time.

Exactly! I've always thought that kids should be taught to exercise healthy limits on their own, because after all, some day they are going to be adults and won't have anyone but themselves preventing them from eating nothing but ice cream, running into traffic, and playing Minecraft for 14 hours.

[–] fool 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Your stance on the age-inappropriate reminds me of what @southsamurai commented! I've definitely seen a lot of "Don't protect your child too hard by concealing the inappropriate from them" lately. I wonder how many modern parents are shifting to that ideal.

"Kids respond well to being treated seriously." (from Vox, "Why safe playgrounds aren't great for kids", 3:17)

You mention that there are some cases where parental controls would help, but you also mentioned that, (1) regarding inapproriacy, you shouldn't baby children and (2) regarding screen time, BananaKing's take is the best route. Doesn't that cover both aspects of where parental controls would be used? What cases would you say parental controls would help with?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Well, I'm just covering my bases. I can't personally imagine an instance in which it would be helpful, but human nature (and especially human nature of children) can be really hard to predict and I won't deny that I might have missed a case in which it could be helpful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I have mixed feelings on this front. On one hand, a locked down computer encourages either extreme compliance (so no learning how to do new things) or encourages the kid to figure out a bypass which might be far worse than if they had an unmanaged computer to begin with.

Right now my oldest isn't reading yet so I have controls primarily to enforce a time limit particularly for dopamine-heavy media apps, and to prevent how much she can accidentally do by clicking without a clue of what she's clicking on and just clicking the colored button. I'll play it by ear for how much control is necessary to ensure my kids can develop to be the best adults they can be. The one thing I'm not looking towards is that my oldest is only about 4 years away from the window where I'll need to have "The Talk" with her, because many men in this world suck.