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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I feel like anyone who genuinely has a strong opinion on this and isn't actively developing something related has too much time on their hands ricing their desktop and needs to get a job

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

My full-time job literally involves dealing with systemd's crap. There is a raspberry pi that controls all of our signage. Every time it is powered on, systemd gets stuck because it's trying to mount two separate partitions to the same mount point, whereupon I have to take a keyboard and a ladder, climb up the ceiling, plug in the keyboard, and press Enter to get it to boot. I've tried fixing it, but all I did was break it more.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago) (1 children)

systemd gets stuck because it's trying to mount two separate partitions to the same mount point

Uh... Sounds like it's not really systemd's fault, your setup is just terrible.

I've tried fixing it, but all I did was break it more.

If you're unable to fix it, maybe get somebody else? Like, this doesn't sound like it's an unfixable issue...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

Uh… Sounds like it’s not really system’s fault, your setup is just terrible.

I don't know his specific issue, but the general behavior of systemd going completely nuts when something is a bit 'off' in some fashion that is supremely confusing. Sure, there's a 'mistake', but good luck figuring out what that mistake is. It's just systemd code tends to be awfully picky in obscure ways.

Then when someone comes along with a change to tolerate or at least provide a more informative error when some "mistake" has been made is frequently met with "no, there's no sane world where a user should be in that position, so we aren't going to help them out of that" or "that application does not comply with standard X", where X is some standard the application developer would have no reason to know exists, and is just something the systemd guys latched onto.

See the magical privilege escalation where a user beginning with a number got auto-privileges, and Pottering fought fixing it because "usernames should never begin with a number anyway".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 48 minutes ago

can you get something besides a pi?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Curious, how does changing one of them to a different mount point make things worse?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

As someone who's not a developer at all and has been making a comic about systemd for a rather small audience, it's worse than you think: We actually have stuff to do and procrastinate on them while spending time and thoughts in this, reading old blog posts and forum debates as if deciphering Sumerian epic poems. Many pages were made while I was supposed to be preparing for exams, which I barely passed. Others when I should've been cleaning up for moving. I think part of the reason why I haven't made any in a while is that with a faithful audience being born and waiting for the next chapter, it's started feeling like something I had to do, and therefore, the type of stuff I procrastinate on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

😁 It is a fun comic

[–] [email protected] 1 points 28 minutes ago

Congratulations on passing your exams! Hang in there. 🙂