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[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

The same Hezbollah that claim this was an "act of war" and in nothing I can find give any indication of non Hezbollah casualties?

Why would Hezbollah report non-Hezbollah casualties? They’re not the government of Lebanon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

For propaganda, they reported the girl dying right away

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You wrote that fewer than .1% of casualties from the detonations were not hezbollah. When asked for a source you wrote: hezbollah. When pressed for a source you've now countered: "why would hezbollah report that?".

We don't know; it's your premise. Where did you get that stat?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 hours ago

I’m assuming that, out of the total reported casualties, the ones Hezbollah doesn’t claim are the civilians. Can you explain your issue with that reasoning?

I’ll grant that there may be Hezbollah casualties that Hezbollah won’t publicly claim, but that would strengthen my case, not yours.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, and that would be why we are wondering how that would be proof of a lack of non-Hezbollah casualties.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well, if you subtract the Hezbollah casualties from the total casualties, there’s hardly any casualties left.

Are you asking for a source for arithmetic, or something?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Oh good thing you told us where that info was then. Its not like the numbers of victims are still unknown or unaccounted for. Its also great that you provided all that evidence of "guilt" for everyone injured.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

en. Its not like the numbers of victims are still unknown or unaccounted for.

How many are those? Why would there be any unaccounted victims at all?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

It's hundreds of explosions, some of which were in cars (presumably causing car accidents) and crowded areas. It was terrifying. Victims may not want to come forward since it connects them with a group of people being targeted with fucking bombs, something they personally witnessed. They don't want to be next. Or they don't want people to think their deceased loved one was a terrorist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It's hundreds of explosions, some of which were in cars (presumably causing car accidents) and crowded areas.

A person injured in a crowded area would be rapidly attended to and accounted for, especially by now, two days later.

If there’s an unaccounted victim, it’s somebody off by themselves with a Hezbollah pager and thus not a civilian. So this argument actually works against you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Have you ever worked in emergency medicine or been in an accident? Someone could have been hit with shrapnel and hid it due to sheer adrenaline. People have been shot in mass shootings and had limbs bit off by sharks and not really "noticed." It's entirely possible to keep going/dissociate from an injury if you think that the bombing event will continue, if you're still in danger, if you think acknowledging your wound will put you in danger. Or if you think people will assume your innocent kid that got killed was a terrorist, you might want to lie about how they died so you can have a nice funeral and people won't remember them like that or accuse your family of being terrorists.

There's also shrapnel from car accidents as well as shrapnel from the bombs.

I'm not actually arguing, I was answering your question about why some injuries may have gone unreported by people who weren't Hezbollah. However, I would say that any groups of innocent casualties seems to show that the attacks were not very specific as originally criticized.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Have you ever worked in emergency medicine or been in an accident? Someone could have been hit with shrapnel and hid it due to sheer adrenaline. People have been shot in mass shootings and had limbs bit off by sharks and not really "noticed." It's entirely possible to keep going/dissociate from an injury if you think that the bombing event will continue, if you're still in danger, if you think acknowledging your wound will put you in danger. Or if you think people will assume your innocent kid that got killed was a terrorist, you might want to lie about how they died so you can have a nice funeral and people won't remember them like that or accuse your family of being terrorists.

Ok, can we talk about things that aren’t made up, now? Israel didn’t send sharks to Lebanon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't you say they were the ones who reported your non-Hezbollah casualty figure though?

You could just link to what you're talking about, that might clear up any confusion.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't you say they were the ones who reported your non-Hezbollah casualty figure though?

I don’t have any “non-Hezbollah casualty figures.” I’m assuming that any casualties Hezbollah doesn’t claim are the civilians.

You could just link to what you're talking about

I’m still not understand what you’re finding unclear.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You've not sourced your 0.1% figure. Safe to assume there is none.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The source is Hezbollah. As I’ve told you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

This is the most infuriating comment section I have ever seen.

[–] silasmariner 2 points 4 hours ago

Yeah but Hezbollah are worse akshually

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Defense of Israel is effectively banned on Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Dude. You keep making the same definitive statement over and over and then when asked to back it up, give this “who? what?” routine. Why anyone is even engaging with you, I don’t know. Yet here I am.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

One must imagine @AugustWest as happy

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I did back it up. I can’t make people read it, though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Lmao, people can read the words you keep repeating you dipshit, they're asking for proof that they said the thing you're claiming they said.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

Their handler only ever told them the source was Hezbollah, so they don’t really know where to go from here. It’s why their script keeps looping.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Unless you meant to link a different source, I have to just assume you didn't actually read it

2,800 injured (according to the Lebanon health minister, not Hezbollah - and no data on how many were associated with hezbolla)

12 dead, of which 2 children and 4 health care workers (50% unaffiliated, a far-cry from your claimed 0.1%)(also reported from the health minister

Thanks for providing a source, though

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago

2,800 injured (according to the Lebanon health minister, not Hezbollah - and no data on how many were associated with hezbolla)

The article states that his figures are coming from Hezbollah.