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[–] [email protected] 199 points 1 month ago (4 children)

She actually made an excellent point on the consequences of colonialism and war policies...

[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 month ago (1 children)

She's not wrong that most foreign terrorist threats the US faces were radicalized by our own political and military involvement in other regions

[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

A (very simplified) timeline of US intervention in the middle-east.

  1. Iran democratically elected a secular leader, but he wanted to use iranian oil for iran. So the CIA instead helped the Shah into dictatorial power, who would sell the drilling rights to american and british companies. He opressed his populace so bad, that they turned to Ayatollah Khomeni and his religious extremists to get rid of him. The religious zealots have been in power ever since.

  2. To fight against the Ayatollah Regime that drove out western oil companies, the US illegally bypasses a weapons embargo to arm a neighbouring dictator called Saddam Hussein. He wages the first Gulf War on Iran for 8 years, which results in ~750.000 dead. The poison gas attacks happen with the knowledge of the US.

  3. Russia invades Afghanistan, the US arms local resistance fighters, a group called Al Quaeda under one Osama bin Laden. To help the islamists against the godless Russians, thousands of mercenaries and religious extremists from muslim countries are recruited by the CIA and brought to Afghanistan, they become the Taliban. More than a million civillians die.

  4. Saddam Hussein, seeing no win against Iran instead invades the absolutist, slavetrading monarchy of Kuwait. Kuwait had opened it oil-wells to western companies, so with the help of the CIA and an american PR-agency, the daughter of Kuwaiti ambassador pretends to be a nurse and lies about Iraqi soldiers ripping babies out of incubators. The world is shocked. What follows is the second Gulf War. More than a million dead civillians again.

  5. Following this second gulf war, american troops are stationed in the gulf region protecting "western values" (the oil wells). The religious extremists in Afghanistan are not amused, the sheer existence of nonbelievers on holy ground is blasphemy to them. Al Quaeda (formerly funded by the US and the House of Saud) begin their campaign against the west.

  6. Following September 11 2001 the US invades first Afghanistan, then Iraq and don't really bother with the long-term stabilizing of a region they so effectively destabilized. From the chaos rises the Islamic State.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

We invaded Iraq (2nd time) after dubious claims from a dissident that they had WMDs. Germany even told us not to listen to this guy.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That’s rich coming from someone who threatens to intervene with her army if someone complains to her

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Oh you! Fellow Bjork fan

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Curious. Do you have a source for this? I feel I am lacking context.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago

It’s a reference to her song, Army of Me. Great song

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

It's always fascinating when leaders and analysts end up echoing Ramzi Yousef's speech at his trial.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

... Wait, Iceland doesn't have an army?

...

Time to invade Iceland guys, they've had it far too good for a while now!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Brb, working on a lava-powered gas guzzler.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You do know that Iceland is essentially inhabited by Vikings?

DON'T POKE THE BEAR!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think being a ye olde big blonde rapist is gonna help someone handle a Sidewinder missile.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Erik's just gonna catch that fucker mid-air and yeet it back at you, and the bastard will look good whilst doing it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

No oil. Not worth the effort.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They don't have an army, true, but the reason they don't need one is that they are a part of NATO, and are exempt from the requirements of contributing to NATOs standing forces in return for providing facilities and land to the alliance.

So Björk is being at bit disingenuous. It's not like the Icelanders are a shining beacon of pacifism and diplomacy, they're just part of a big military alliance.

See https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/declassified_162083.htm