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Bodycam shows police dragging NFL star Tyreek Hill from car before season opener
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 10 Sep 2024
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Video shows Hill was being a Lil asshole. Who gets pulled over and thinks it's OK to keep your tinted window up and your loud ass sports car running?
His window is up for 17 seconds before he opens it again. At no point did anyone ask him to turn his car off. 62 second from when the cops get off their motorcycles to start the stop to when Hill is on the ground.
I'm not going to defend Hill's actions as correct, but if someone is an asshole do the police get to do anything they want?
Hard to justify him getting pulled onto the ground, knelt on, and handcuffed.
If he didn't want to open the window (and I've already heard everything about how maybe they couldn't see inside so it was a safety hazard - fine) - doesn't opening the door solve the entire problem? The door was open. Shouldn't that have been all the escalation of this situation that was required?
A cop having to open the door is the point where you're getting out from behind the wheel of the car you wouldn't shut off.
Thought exercise: where is the line of justifiable behavior? If they shot him is that justified? If not, then there must be a line somewhere.
But I can tell you it's not a subjective thing, and the courts have ruled on things like this. Everyone has rights, even "Lil assholes" like Hill. I don't care for him at all as a person. He might be a shitty guy, but everyone gets the same rights.
The line has always been simple. If you feel you're in the right, comply then, file charges later. Also, don't be a dumbass. If you get pulled over for wreckers driving and speeding, don't leave your loud ass car running, the window up, refuse to roll it down, refuse to open the door, and be a dick. If you act like you're being dangerous, you're going to be treated like you could be dangerous.
How did the cops get Hill out of the car then if he refused to roll down the windows or open the door? Hill was face down on the ground 62 second into the video, how did the cops get him to the ground so fast with the windows closed and doors locked?
Are you commenting without even watching the video first? The door wasn't locked and the cop used the handle and opened it himself.....
Did you watch it lol? Hill did in fact roll the window down and the door was locked when the officer on the left attempted to open the door. So either the Hill complied and unlocked it himself or the cop on the right reached in (the open window) and opened the door. If it's the former, then Hill complied with every command he was given lol.
Cop opens the door from the outside (while the window is cracked maybe 2" open) at 1:08 in the video. You got any other bullshit to make up?
At 1:03 the first cop attempts to open the door and it's locked, at 1:08 door it is open. What happened in that 5 seconds?
It doesn't matter how open the window is or isn't, legally Hill doesn't have to leave the window open after handing over his paperwork. Which brings up the question of why was he put in handcuffs in the first place? Can you explain that for me?
Agreed! If you don't Bend Over Backwards and treat cops with the UTMOST RESPECT they have EVERY RIGHT to VIOLENTLY ASSAULT or even KILL YOU! EVEN if what they're asking you to do is Illegal or Deadly!
If he did get shot it might bring some meaningful change. Probably for reasons more like slavery than police causing bodily harm or death, but at this point it's progress I guess.