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What OS is best for a beginner to degoogle? (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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So I have a retired but still very serviceable PC that I intend to use as my first home server. I gave two basic goals in self-hosting:

Host family media through Jellyfin, etc. This would include tv, music, and possibly books as well. Many of these will be managed through the Arr apps.
Degoogle my phone - I'm beginning by replacing Photos with Immich, but hope to also use Home Assistant, backup other phone data such as messages media, shopping lists, etc. I hope to replace Google storage/backup with Proton Drive.

So the question is what OS should I set up to run that? My proof of concept was an immich container running in xubuntu on an old laptop. I chose Xubuntu because I like the availability of documentation and community support for Ubuntu like distros, but wanted a lower powered alternative for the older device.

It seems to be working well, but I've had a few hiccups trying to update it, and I've heard that once you get into it, Linux distros like Ubuntu are not very user friendly for self-hosting as a beginner.

So is it better on the whole for a beginner to have a popular distro with lots if documentation and step by step guides, or to have a purpose-built OS like TrueNAS that might be more straightforward, but with less support?

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (5 children)

If you know how to use containers then go for debian as the server OS and run everything you need as containers.

Debian is community based distro, very stable, major updates every few years, ubuntu and other distros use it as a base.

Get familiar with working on the command line, try nano as an easy text editor und use docker compose.

I did not test TrueNAS, I do know the scale version can run containers too, but I do not know how stable ur usable it is. You should go for the classic linux approach with Debian. Much more fun to learn :)

[–] Kuro 12 points 2 months ago

I can only second that. Its basically exactly my setup. Debian as stable base and every service as docker via docker compose. This way your system is stable and your services can upgrade as much as they like.

Only difference is that i use micro as editor. But thats just details.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yep, Debian for sure ! 3 years ago I settled for debian on an old spare laptop, It's still cruisen with more than 21 containers !! Sure I had a few fresh installs because skill issues, lack of proper configuration, user mistakes... But it's probably the easiest to maintain and learn as a beginner !

No idea what's your level and how close you're with computers and how much time you have to spare, but don't be afraid to make mistakes and try a few things out.

If you are like me just a plain old geek who knew his way arround computers and used Hamachi back in the days, thinking you were a HAKKER... Get ready to get your ass kicked !

While self-hosting and de-googling is fun, it also has alot of negative things:

Time consuming
Involves ALOT of Searxing/Reading
Debuggin (kinda...)
Learning the basics of at least 1 scripting language (consider bash your ally)
It's an infinite rabbit hole that will suck you in and sometimes get to your nerves...

One of the best advice I could give you along the way is, If you're stuck on a bug or something isn't working as expected in your setup and It seems you couldn't find any answer or similar issues on the web, you absolutly have to take a break, not a 5min cigarette break... A few hours bicycle/sleep break !!!!

The next day you will for sure find a solution !!

Good luck, have fun and don't forget to take time for yourself and people arround you !

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I used to run multiple containers with TrueNAS Scale through their apps system (not as a VM in TrueNAS) and it was very unstable. I constantly had to fix something and the apps had constant updates even though there were no updates to the apps itself. It was really annoying to work with. I switched to Fedora Server and it has been much better since.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agree, except for nano. Micro has a much better interface and even has mouse integration.

[–] towerful 11 points 2 months ago

Nano is useful because it is everywhere.
There are better editors, but being familiar with nano and it's shortcuts means you can edit files pretty much anywhere.
Same with knowing the basics of vim (like being able to edit, exit and save)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Got the same setup, but I connect to my server with vscode through SSH and edit files there.

Much more user friendly as a primary Windows guy.