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I was trying to think of which games created certain mechanics that became popular and copied by future games in the industry.

The most famous one that comes to my mind is Assassin’s Creed, with the tower climbing for map information.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Iirc (edit - apparently incorrect) Halo was the first to use left joystick as forward/backward and left/right strafe; and right joystick as look up/down and pivot left/right.

I even recall articles counting it as a point against the game due to its 'awkward controls' ...but apparently after a tiny learning curve, the entire community/industry got on board.

[–] GetOffMyLan 27 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I thought goldeneye had that basic controls concept a few years before. and Turok was pretty close before that.

edit: ah forgot n64 only had one joystick. but basically the same with the left d-pad and middle joystick.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think you are right, but the N64 controls used the C buttons as analog inputs for camera movement.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

If we're talking Goldeneye, I believe the C-button aiming was an alternate control scheme. IIRC, the default controls had the stick control both your forward/backward motion, but also your left/right turning, instead of left/right strafing, so your aim was controlled horizontally by the stick, but vertically was pretty much locked on the horizon at all times. To do fine-tuned aiming, or to aim vertically at all, required holding R to bring up the crosshairs which you could then move with the stick, while standing still.

In hindsight, it's amazing that we ever tolerated that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One of my friends still owns an N64 and wants to play Goldeneye and Perfect Dark sometimes. This control scheme raises my blood pressure so much lol.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

They have options to switch to a more "traditional" control scheme.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

You're correct. In addition you could strafe using left/right C buttons, and you could look up/down using up/down C buttons, but that was awkward and not really designed to aim.

But we also must remember that those games had an auto lock system. Your character would actually target the ennemies by himself, you would only use the crosshair to dona headshot when you have time to aim, or to aim at a specific object in the game.

But yeah, that seems so clunky compared to what we have today

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I got anxiety just reading your post. Ugh.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Tbf it was always gonna be hard to make good fps controls on the N64 controller. The movement itself was fine once you got used to it (including strafing etc), but the real sticking point as you mentioned is the shoulder button aiming. It pretty much forced you to stop dead to aim accurately. So you really had to pick your time to hold position and take a few shots before running again.

I still had a lot of fun with it despite knowing there were better options out there with mouse and keyboard (although come to think of it when I was first playing wolfenstein and Doom I think I played with keyboard only back then).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If not GoldenEye, then I believe Perfect Dark would let you plug in two controllers for a dual analog control scheme.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Goldeneye did allow this. Crazy. Hard to use other buttons though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Goldeneye scheme was forward and back on the joystick moved forward and back but left and right on the stick turned the camera in that direction. The opposite movements were on the c buttons (strafe left and right and look up and down).

It was incredibly disorientating going from that to Turok which used the strafe on the c buttons and looking on the stick. It's the same feeling I now get when I try to go back to Goldeneye now that the other orientation has been made universal.

On a side note, the goldeneye controls allowed for a unique way of moving around the map with circle strafing that you can't really replicate in other games.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Goldeneye got it functional, but it was janky. Try playing 4p with the old N64 controllers and you’d sorta struggle to move and aim.

Halo updated the standard with something usable in modern games. I think a few games in that genre also set the expectation that weapons should have no aim penalty while strafing, since console players would use small strafing motions to do light aim correction.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The original Medal of Honor for the Playstation 1 had an alternate control scheme that let you move in the modern dual stick manner.