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Australia has mandatory voting. Why not the US?
Lmao the same people suppressing voting rights wont agree to that
Just wondering, how is mandatory voting enforced? I assume vote cops don't show up at your door.... What if you turn in a ballot with no choice marked?
You receive a penalty notice in the mail and have to pay a fine. Similar to a traffic infringement or parking fine.
All elections are held on a weekend and voting booths are everywhere, to make it a little easier for everyone to vote.
You can choose to not mark the ballot, no one would know. As long as you turn up to a booth and get your name marked off, then you are considered to have voted.
As a result, voter turnout is generally over 90%.
And yet they still regularly have a right wing government fucking things up for them. Perhaps turnout is not the primary issue after all.
Eh, not fucking things up in the way that seems to happen in the states. Our conservative government is much more corporate oriented and less strong on climate policy, but they aren't insane. They don't tend to strip rights from women, and almost the entire party supported gay marriage legalisation with many openly stating they personally disagreed with it but understood that their constituents needs should come before their own opinions.
Edit: I guess to expand upon my point, mandatory voting means candidates need to run on a platform which considers the needs of the whole population. Optional voting means that if 50% of the population doesn't turn up, and 30% of the remaining population feels very strongly about an extreme view, it becomes easier for that extreme view to win an election.
Also preferential voting means you can actually vote for the candidates you want (you can't 'waste' your vote by voting for someone other than the big two parties like in US), and (afaik) when your do this, and a candidate wins based on your lower preferences, that candidate gets data on what your first preferences were (so e.g. they know that a certain percentage of my voters had a higher preference for this other party, which means next time around I should possibly consider adopting some policy from this other party).
(I might have gotten some details wrong, someone feel free to correct me)
Yep. Us Aussies can only waste our vote deliberately. If we want to vote we can number every box. And because we have a single transferable vote we have a lot of boxes, the last senate vote form had more than 40, and you could vote any of them first
And if the rest of your electorate didn't rate your number 1, you might agree on number 2
News reports call out the losers — this party is last, its votes get distributed per the voters' forms and you watch for which bars on the graph grow as the shooters and hunters party (I didn't get to vote in the election where the sun ripened warm tomato party failed to get elected) is excluded. A forty horse race is better than a two horse race
It's also nice to choose your actual preference, even if it isn't popular
You are allowed to cast an empty ballot, or write in a candidate who isn't running. You just have to participate. When you go, you get marked off an electoral roll. Those people who don't show up get a fine in the mail of something like a couple of hundred dollars. Not bad in isolation but this applies to state, federal and local elections so about 3 times in a 3-5 year period, for something which takes all of 15 minutes out of your day.
I very much prefer California then, which mails every registered voter a return-postage-paid ballot and provides locked ballot boxes if you prefer, as well as having in-person voting places. I mail mine in, at least a week early, and if I didn't get the text notifications I could walk in and do provisional. My spouse is basically bedbound but can vote from home.
I think we can request to vote by post although I'm not really sure. We can vote early in person though, and many people do
We can. And pre-poll votes. We don't need to mail forms to everyone as most people can and will make it to a polling place on the day.
We can also vote out of state or from outside the country at an embassy or High Commission
And you can buy a sausage on a slice of bread
Not sure how it is there, but in a few areas you basically lose your right to vote of you don't. Which is fair motivation.
Looks like they mostly pay fines. So let's figure out approximately how much money it will make and sell it to the Republicans as a money making venture!
Teacher: If you don't go to school, you'll be punished!
Student: Oh yea, what's the punishment?
T: Suspension from school
S: Great, glad we're on the same page, see ya never
Because mandatory anything is spun as an attack on our freedoms, and our generally-undereducated masses eat it up.
We could probably spin it around and give a tiny tax break for those who vote. It'll still definitely get attacked though.
Now you're talking!
Yeah. It'll be presented as unnacceptable to us temporarily-embarassed-billionaires.
If they can find a way to block student loan forgiveness they'll find a way to stop this. Just need to get it in front of the SC and it'll be squashed.
Make tax refunds and all tax write-offs contingent on proving you voted. >:D
You still have the freedom to not vote. However you have to go to a polling station and get your name marked off but no-one can force you to write on the piece of paper.
Or there is option of making ballot invalid
Get some commies, they quickly will do likbez and universal education.
Netherland doesn't have mandatory voting and yet our turnup is around 75-80% consistently for years
Source https://www.parlement.com/id/vh8lnhrp8wsz/opkomst_bij_tweede_kamerverkiezingen
That said, it seems the US has a turnup problem to solve
millions of libertarian party voters not turning up /j
Because the government really doesn't want people to have a say. People are stupid. So let's just have a mock vote with some old wizard math that adds up to who the fuck knows but your guy lost.
Would input from the people who otherwise wouldn't have bothered to show up be useful?
It's a dangerous line of reason you're skirting around there buddy.
The young and poor?