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Against Astroturfing and Social Media Manipulation
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I do not need to immerse myself in fascist rhetoric to be reminded that fascists exist.
I get your point but in curating my content I am not burying my head in the sand but using my time and energy in better ways.
This statement in and of itself is divisive and isn't helpful. The behavior is no better than the behavior you apparently abhor.
I am no fan of most of the positions taken but I'm not so closed minded to suppress someone else's opinion without discussion.
You are welcome to disagree, but being an instigator by your actions and words will not improve this community. Period.
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Allow me to shed light on why I said be careful.
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation....
To enforce only one side of a conversation is in effect only creating the exact same environment. It's hypocrisy. I agree we should be mindful- but also mindful we ourselves do not become oppressive.
You are welcome to continue to talk to them. I am not. Fascists play with words, they do not debate.
Reread that statement and tell me where the flaw is. Seriously. I've debated neonazis publicly... I do not agree with their ideals - but I believe firmly in freedom of speech. What you are describing is simply the same thing at the other extreme.
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Eh. you can lead a horse to water.
You're here policing how people should use Lemmy and castigating them for "not improving" the community because they won't do what you want, and you're telling us to be mindful "we ourselves do not become oppressive"?
I wonder what the LD~50~ of irony is.
I didn't read this as policing anyone tbh. Sounds more like the person is saying we need to remain open to prevent ourselves from becoming as bad as those we aren't open to. Makes sense to me to be honest.
Still, I understand others may just not want to join in with these discussions. That's obviously an individual decision.
Cue some downvotes for not being a 'buy yer pitchforks' comment.
Edit. Which bit of those comments was castigating people? I'm tired and maybe I'm just missing something.
Thank you. Yea. this exactly.
The reason I urge discussion rather than anonymous retribution vis a vis downvote brigadeing is it reinforces group think. Echo chambers.
If you can discuss a problem it's easy enough to dismantle a LOT of the rhetoric thrown around by hate groups... but if you simply meet intolerance and hate with the same nothing good comes of it.
OP, like many, may have their heart in the right place but is, as far as I am concerned, virtue signaling and nothing more.
I'm not policing anything. I recommended moderation. The biggest hole people fall into is division. You don't like x so you hate y. It's nonbinary.
This fallout is exactly why I recommend moderation. My remarks aren't inflammatory yet are being treated with the same response you might to someone recommending ethnic cleansing. Why? Because I didn't agree and fall in line with "oppress the opposition.". That is the problem.
It's easy to let others think for you. Social media is rife with it. I just want people to stop being so easily herded.
No, the problem is that you're frankly so self-important, needlessly abrasive and pointlessly combative about this. You're getting downvoted without comments not because you don't "fall in line", but because I frankly doubt all that many people have the energy to even bother arguing. Things like alluding to others who aren't as enlightened as you to have the exact same opinons as you do as being sheep ("easily herded"), or acting like you're owed some sort of debate with each downvote wasn't exactly going to win you friends and influence people, or at least absolutely not in the way you clearly would have wanted.
Want people to listen to you? Maybe don't be an asshole to people you're trying to win over? I know that's not how you see what's going on here, but come on
A strongly worded assertion for moderation isn't combative. The call for action that this post is- was.
You seem to be assigning a lot of words to my actions... care to actually make an example of it? The quote you used simply highlights the reaction to a literal "hey this is a slippery slope maybe don't just brigade opposing views" statement.... which quite literally is what we are seeing play out.
At no point did I say any of this. I stated that the reason you should disagree vocally is because it lets people participate in discourse. Seeing a number before reading a post simply assigns an "expectation of the group" on how you should respond. If herd mentality weren't a thing this post would be moot.
Calling for any type of brigadeing on this medium is tantamount to asking to silence another party.
It's incorrect. Even if you disagree with them - it's just as much their right to express those views as it is yours to disagree with them.
You are why the gods invented the block button, I suppose.
Enjoy the echoes.
Yeah that's kinda the point. We trivialize it but it's a slippery slope none the less.
I'm calling you a sealion, since that seems lost on you.
Telling others to subject themselves to terrible opinions for the sake of "not making an echo chamber" is absurd. This is even more absurd of a take when it deals with trying to counter a brigade or excluding intolerant fascists. They don't deserve our time or consideration.
That's not what is being called for. It was calling for action against people and their opinions which is fine in theory but is basically calling for polarization and brigadeing.
Your image and statement just highlights this. A moderate opinion being polarized. Hence my response.
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Solid argument.