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Pointing out, fighting, spreading awareness about State sponsored and Company sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.

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Conservative Bots and Bad Actors Are Swarming R/Millenials Right Now (www.reddit.com)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17793163

It's unbelievable how vocal the minority of conservatives on reddit have suddenly gotten in the one sub where a large demographic of important voters often interact. Hmmm. Coincidence?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

You're here policing how people should use Lemmy and castigating them for "not improving" the community because they won't do what you want, and you're telling us to be mindful "we ourselves do not become oppressive"?

I wonder what the LD~50~ of irony is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't read this as policing anyone tbh. Sounds more like the person is saying we need to remain open to prevent ourselves from becoming as bad as those we aren't open to. Makes sense to me to be honest.

Still, I understand others may just not want to join in with these discussions. That's obviously an individual decision.

Cue some downvotes for not being a 'buy yer pitchforks' comment.

Edit. Which bit of those comments was castigating people? I'm tired and maybe I'm just missing something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Thank you. Yea. this exactly.

The reason I urge discussion rather than anonymous retribution vis a vis downvote brigadeing is it reinforces group think. Echo chambers.

If you can discuss a problem it's easy enough to dismantle a LOT of the rhetoric thrown around by hate groups... but if you simply meet intolerance and hate with the same nothing good comes of it.

OP, like many, may have their heart in the right place but is, as far as I am concerned, virtue signaling and nothing more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not policing anything. I recommended moderation. The biggest hole people fall into is division. You don't like x so you hate y. It's nonbinary.

This fallout is exactly why I recommend moderation. My remarks aren't inflammatory yet are being treated with the same response you might to someone recommending ethnic cleansing. Why? Because I didn't agree and fall in line with "oppress the opposition.". That is the problem.

It's easy to let others think for you. Social media is rife with it. I just want people to stop being so easily herded.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Why? Because I didn't agree and fall in line with "oppress the opposition.". That is the problem.

No, the problem is that you're frankly so self-important, needlessly abrasive and pointlessly combative about this. You're getting downvoted without comments not because you don't "fall in line", but because I frankly doubt all that many people have the energy to even bother arguing. Things like alluding to others who aren't as enlightened as you to have the exact same opinons as you do as being sheep ("easily herded"), or acting like you're owed some sort of debate with each downvote wasn't exactly going to win you friends and influence people, or at least absolutely not in the way you clearly would have wanted.

Want people to listen to you? Maybe don't be an asshole to people you're trying to win over? I know that's not how you see what's going on here, but come on

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

A strongly worded assertion for moderation isn't combative. The call for action that this post is- was.

You seem to be assigning a lot of words to my actions... care to actually make an example of it? The quote you used simply highlights the reaction to a literal "hey this is a slippery slope maybe don't just brigade opposing views" statement.... which quite literally is what we are seeing play out.

Alluding to / owed / etc statement

At no point did I say any of this. I stated that the reason you should disagree vocally is because it lets people participate in discourse. Seeing a number before reading a post simply assigns an "expectation of the group" on how you should respond. If herd mentality weren't a thing this post would be moot.

Calling for any type of brigadeing on this medium is tantamount to asking to silence another party.

It's incorrect. Even if you disagree with them - it's just as much their right to express those views as it is yours to disagree with them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You are why the gods invented the block button, I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Enjoy the echoes.