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Proton Mail goes AI, security-focused userbase goes ‘what on earth’ (pivot-to-ai.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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we appear to be the first to write up the outrage coherently too. much thanks to the illustrious @self

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Glad I stuck with mailbox.org.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not familiar with them. What makes them more privacy focused?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's encrypted and based out of Germany (so, outside of five eyes). The ui is shit but if you use an app for email it's great. They also offer anonymous payment methods if you're into that.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

they’re not end-to-end encrypted; their security model involves giving their server both your GPG private key and its passphrase, which makes your inbox and other data trivially able to be subpoenaed by German authorities.

I don’t think this is a replacement for Proton or Tutanota at all.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

It's encrypted and based out of Germany (so, outside of five eyes).

[...] your inbox and other data trivially able to be subpoenaed by German authorities

Germany is a member of the Fourteen Eyes alliance and shares data with 9 and 5 eyes members.

I just wanted to put that out there after @[email protected] suggested that the five eyes are the only eyes. They share with Germany and vice versa.