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Google and Microsoft consume more power than some countries (www.tomshardware.com)
submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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In 2023, Google and Microsoft each consumed 24 TWh of electricity, surpassing the consumption of over 100 nations, including places like Iceland, Ghana, and Tunisia, according to an analysis by Michael Thomas. While massive energy usage means a substantial environmental impact for these tech giants, it should be noted that Google and Microsoft also generate more money than many countries. Furthermore, companies like Intel, Google, and Microsoft lead renewable energy adoption within the industry.

Detailed analysis reveals that Google's and Microsoft's electricity consumption — 24 TWh in 2023 — equals the power consumption of Azerbaijan (a nation of 10.14 million) and is higher than that of several other countries. For instance, Iceland, Ghana, the Dominican Republic, and Tunisia each consumed 19 TWh, while Jordan consumed 20 TWh. Of course, some countries consume more power than Google and Microsoft. For example, Slovakia, a country with 5.4 million inhabitants, consumes 26 TWh.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

While massive energy usage means a substantial environmental impact for these tech giants, it should be noted that Google and Microsoft also generate more money than many countries. Furthermore, companies like Intel, Google, and Microsoft lead renewable energy adoption within the industry.

So fucking what? That's like excusing a mass-murderer because he's rich and he promised to "not kill quite as many people in the future."

What a useless and pandering thing to say.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, it's not.

Them making money implies that they are being paid to use power, which is true. Their absolute carbon footprint is irrelevant given that most of what the carbon they use is at the request of someone else. The metric to judge them on is their carbon footprint relevant to peers.

I.e. it's not fair to judge a cab company for driving someone somewhere (judge the person choosing to hire a cab), but it is fair to judge them if they use gas guzzlers instead of EVs.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

what are you on about, mate? who's paying for copilot's adoption? who's funding the disparaging of the medieval term for a minstrel with a song?

who's paying you for this absurd take?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I think he's partially right. Azure, AWS etc. are running workloads which would otherwise run in a bazillion smaller data centers. I still believe something is wrong as all those giants promise to run their data centers super duper green and sustainable..

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

As of last year ~70% of software developers were using copilot or a similar AI assistant. The legal field has seen a drop off in junior hires because of AI assistants. Snapchat's AI filters and tools have long been a huge draw for that platform (and then copied by everyone else to avoid bleeding users), and Bing saw massive user growth after integrating OpenAI.

AI has problems and limitations but it's absurd to think there's no demand for it just because it's pushed by annoying people. Everything with hype will get pushed by annoying people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

~70% of software developers were using copilot or a similar AI assistant

That's interesting, do you have a source?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

It was the Stack Overflow developer survey I believe

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why do you think using energy is bad by itself? They are paying for it and they are trying to get as much renewable as they can.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Why do you think using energy is bad by itself?

Building infrastructure has an environmental cost. Even if they're building them for themselves, wasting the energy produced on AI and some other bullshit will worse our climate catastrophe while delivering nothing useful in exchange