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[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

When was the last time China invaded an oil-rich country, overthrew their government, and killed a million people?

If you want to dream up Chinese imperialism whenever China builds roads in another country, you still have to grapple with the fact that they don't build those roads on the graves of martyrs that died trying to defend their homeland.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Considering China is allied with Russia and buys nearly half of their crude oil exports, they haven't needed to invade other countries for oil. I'll give you that, but at the same time, they're also indirectly assisting and allied with a country that is happily trying to extinguish the entirety of Ukraine.

Roads and ports. With abusive conditions that all but make it impossible for the poorer countries to satisfy their terms, ultimately leading to China being free to claim the infrastructure they built on foreign soil as their own. They might not be as obvious about it as the United States, but they are still a captialist, colonialist country antithetical to communist goals.

Every global superpower does their fair share of this shit. The countries we should actually be looking up to are the socialist/communist ones that rapidly accelerated their growth and citizens' quality of life before being destabilized by an existing global superpower (usually, the United States).

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago

they’re also indirectly assisting and allied with a country that is happily trying to extinguish the entirety of Ukraine.

Hyperbole does not help your case.

A war to extinguish a nation looks more like what Israel is doing in Gaza. Compare the number of children, medical staff, UN aid workers, and other noncombatants that have been murdered. Compare the total eradication of all homes, businesses, universities, hospitals, religious institutions, historic sites. Russia, by contrast, is waging a war of conquest and assimilation.

All China is doing is trading with them, and not even trading weapons or munitions! It's just normal commerce. Let's compare again with Israel and how the US is providing it unlimited bombs and heavy equipment and fucking jets it needs to do its genocide.

When you compare the two the stark contrast makes your hyperbolic claims into a joke.

With abusive conditions that all but make it impossible for the poorer countries to satisfy their terms,

They forgive the loans they give to those poorer countries when they can't repay and are always willing to refinance.

Compare that to the IMF which sells off public assets to private interests and imposes austerity measures onto the people, letting the US infiltrate the government and set up counter-terror operations and win exclusive trade deals to superexploit the people.

Again, compare and contrast. The US isn't merely worse, it has different objectives. One is imperialist, one is internationalist.

Every global superpower does their fair share of this shit. The countries we should actually be looking up to are the socialist/communist ones that rapidly accelerated their growth and citizens’ quality of life before being destabilized by an existing global superpower (namely, the United States).

This is why China is the way it is. China has to ally itself with Russia and it has to wield state capitalism, or else it would end up the same as every other socialist experiment the US destroyed. If China cut off every country that US says is evil then it will lose all its allies, and then the US will just turn around and declare that the world needs to stop doing business with China.

Instead, China saw right through that, and with BRICs the dedollerization of the global economy is inevitable. The Communist Party of China has done more to destroy US imperialism than any communist party in every other country combined.

Grow up.

[–] odium 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

When was the last time the US tried to erase a people's culture? And when was the last time China tried that? When was the second to last time China tried that? What about the third to last time?

Both countries are imperialistic in different ways. One does most of its atrocities to the citizens of other countries and one does most of its atrocities to its own citizens. Neither should be looked up to.