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[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It is about distinguishing addictive and damaging drugs from useful medicines with a low chance of addiction. You are not going to convince me that the majority of people that have used meth or crack are fine. Where as weed or lsd I would.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I will!

The majority of people that have used meth or crack are fine.

Now, don't get me wrong: meth is fantastically addictive. It's the most physically addictive drug there is, as far as I'm aware. And the fantastically high addiction rate for first-time users of meth is: roughly 30%.

70% of people who try the most addictive drug in the world don't get addicted, and go on to do other things like play tennis or do their taxes or switch to weed instead.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Tried meth once. Felt like Adderall. I could see why people abuse it, but I didn't feel the need.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

That's cause Adderall is meth.

Or meth adjacent. I don't know the chemistry.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Adderall is amphetamine, the base compound.

Meth is methamphetamine, amphetamine with a methyl group attached to it, so it's very closely related to Adderall. That small change makes it a bit more potent, longer lasting and euphoric though.

But meth can also get prescribed for ADHD and narcolepsia (under the brand name 'Desoxyn') in very rare cases where even Adderall doesn't seem to do the trick. So basically, both substances can be used therapeutically and they both can fuck up your life if you start abusing them, with meth admittedly being more potent and dangerous than regular amphetamine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

While there is some credence to this example, we all know chemistry does not work like this. For example, H2O, very good, essential for all life. H2O2, not so much.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Yep. I had an Adderall Rx for years prior, felt almost identical. But I also swallowed it, didn't smoke or inject it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

If we're just assuming stuff based on vibes then caffeine is meth too.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No it's fucking not.

And this kind of thinking is why the local cops raided a clinic my town and why doctors in my town are now scared to prescribe it.

This is what happens when people stigmatize and demonize legal meds that actually help folks who genuinely need it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Cops raided a pharmacy because they needed a fix. Foia the body cam footage if they got them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

nah, you're the wrong here buddy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I take it myself and have done so for 10+ years, and know the chemistry of it. It's in the same tree, but it's absolutely not meth.

If it were meth, it'd be called meth.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Adderall is not meth, but it's still a form of speed/amphetamine and is still addictive to some neurotypical people. Maybe not as addictive or dangerous, but very much in the same category.

The reason ADHD people don't get addicted is because of their altered neurology and the doses it's prescribed at.

In fact actual meth is sometimes prescribed to ADHD patients in small doses. It's called Desoxyn.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Adderall is not meth, but it's still a form of speed/amphetamine

Yes. Absolutely. But it is not meth, as people keep trying to claim.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because ADHD stimulants are forms of methamphetamines.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

The umbrella term is amphetamines. And not all ADHD stimulants are amphetamines, as there's also methylphenidate (ritalin) which is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor kinda like cocaine, except for majority of people a lot less enjoyable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yea, plus many people addicted to that shit end up doing bad things, Rob, steal, sell to kids, etc.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sometimes, but not all of them.

And generally, addiction is other issues that we as a society could help with before it becomes those issues.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

That's the same with heroin. At some point you're addicted as hell and have no money left, so what do you do to get that relief from it again? Prostitute yourself, steal stuff and sell it, rob someone. This is literally an endless cycle. You become more addicted so you have to make more money. Since drug addiction imposes a high risk of losing your job and house you have to become somewhat criminal. The only ways out of this are either 1:dying from the drugs, 2: being able to get off of them(what often is literally impossible without help and even if you manage it without a stable living situation(house, job which both are hard to find as an ex drug addicted homeless person) its not unlikely that you start using them again) or 3: finding a place where you can get them for free. One of these places exists in Berlin where heroin addicted can get free medical grade heroin for free.