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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The data, conducted before news that Iran launched a retaliatory strike against Israel on Saturday, suggests that the conventional wisdom that U.S. presidents must be in lockstep with Israel could be wrong, at least in the current moment. Biden had been extremely reluctant to show daylight between his government and that of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Did you even read the article?

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/14/democrats-sympathetic-palestinians-israelis-poll-00152117

Biden's approval rating for his handling of the situation in the Middle East, at 27%, is his lowest among five issues tested in the survey. This is because far fewer Democrats (47%) approve of how he is handling the situation between the Israelis and Palestinians than approve of his handling of the economy, the environment, energy policy and foreign affairs, broadly. On those issues, no less than 66% of Democrats approve of Biden.

Only further contributing to Biden's low rating on the Middle East situation, just 21% of independents and 16% of Republicans approve of his performance on the issue.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

https://ajpaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/YouGov-Polling-Results-Full-Report-2024.pdf

https://www.commondreams.org/news/13-ex-biden-voters-gaza

"It's clear that Palestine is a critical issue in key battleground states," said Ayah Ziyadeh, director of advocacy for AJP-Action, in a statement. "It's not a passing protest effort that the Democratic Party can continue to ignore; people want an end to this war and a key margin of them will vote that way. But Biden can win over votes with a serious change in policy."

Specifically, the pollsters found that across the five key states, about 40% of potential Biden voters disapprove of the president's handling of the war—and 1 in 5 of all surveyed are less likely to vote for him because of it.

The polling has ONLY gotten worse, plus a lot of the reasons USians voted for Biden was voters wanted a return to normalcy and trust with the international community (i.e. everyone knows Trump is a clown) and Biden's unwavering support for the Palestinian genocide has appalling destroyed any semblance of Biden being a vehicle for that.

Do you want me to go on or would you prefer to quietly exit this argument and save as much face as possible here?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Biden’s policy on facilitating the Israeli genocide of Palestinians is incredibly unpopular with voters, it isn’t even close.

So, to you, 35% approving of his policy and 55% disapproving is "incredibly unpopular" and "it isn't even close"? Because to me, that seems mildly unpopular.

far fewer Democrats (47%) approve of how he is handling the situation

Almost half of democrats approve of how he's handling the situation. Doesn't sound like it's "incredibly unpopular" to me.

Specifically, the pollsters found that across the five key states, about 40% of potential Biden voters disapprove of the president’s handling of the war

Less than half of potential Biden voters disapprove... meaning that more than half either approve or are neutral.

“It’s clear that Palestine is a critical issue in key battleground states,” said Ayah Ziyadeh, director of advocacy for AJP-Action

Gee, a lobbying group for Palestinian issues claims that Palestine is a critical issue in battleground states? What evidence is there for that?

Let's look at what the actual top issues are:

"In Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, where President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump are engaged in close contests, most voters said the economy will be a major factor in deciding whom they will cast their ballot for, results from a CBS News and YouGov poll show.

In Michigan, 80% of voters say the economy is a top issue for them, followed by 77% of voters who say inflation is. Seventy-two percent of voters ranked the state of democracy as one of the issues that matter most to them. Biden currently has a narrow lead over Trump in the state.

In both Pennsylvania and Washington, 80% of voters similarly ranked the economy as one of the topics they care most about this election.

Other lower-ranked topics included candidates' stances on gun policy, crime, the U.S.-Mexico border and abortion."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/economy-top-issue-voters-presidential-election-2024/

No mention of the middle east / Gaza.

"Several polls and focus groups have shown young people ranking the ongoing conflict in the Middle East as significantly less important to them than other issues — such as health care and the economy. This suggests that some of the coverage portraying young people as single-issue voters motivated by the Israel-Hamas war, or framing the protests as a death knell for President Joe Biden’s campaign, is overblown."

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/gaza-protests-young-voters-media-election-rcna151364

As for people who wouldn't vote for Biden because of his policy on Gaza... they're going to hand their vote to a guy who had "banning Muslims from entering the US" as a signature policy? Either they're serious about not voting for him meaning they're idiots and you can just ignore their opinions, or they're not serious and they'll eventually vote for him anyway because letting the other guy win would be infinitely worse.