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BSW is no SED-Clone. BSW is a personal cult for Sahra Wagenknecht very populistic, pro workers ( which are left positions) but also pro putin and anti migration (which are all but left positions).
Also, Die Linke (left wing party) has no ties to Russia since Wagenknecht and her peers left.
And stop that "BoTh SiDeS" BS. It has no merit and is a false narrative.
Zarenknecht?
Zarenknecht.
Sorry to bring it to you but bsw is still left, its called redfash or tankie. And yes both sides extremism leads to authoritarian shitholes.
Oh and BSW being a SED clone is regarding Wagenknecht being a SED politician and her very close ties into the Kremlin.
Honestly, this is why using only a left-right axis to describe politics is inadequate. If the term wasn't prestressed, BSW would be literally National Socialist (but please don't use that term, because, you know, Hitler, and she's far from that).
That's oversimplifying if I've ever seen oversimplifying. To the point of disinformation. Wagenknecht wasn't allowed to study because she clashed with the regime, was accused of a hunger strike during military training and joined SED *half a year before the Wall fell with the intention of reforming it. And licking Putin's boots is not enough to be an SED clone.
Dude, get your facts straight or shut it.
Again, you need to learn politics, if you think national socialist means left you really need to take a history and a politics course.
And as i said, SED and BSW are Authoritarian leftists, AFD is authoritarian right wing. Both of them can be considered as a version of faschism.
Lol. I never said National Socialist was left, I said BSW is not left. It is not considered left in the german political landscape (except by right wing nutjobs like AfD).
I got my political knowledge straight, you're making stuff up.
BSW has too many positions that are not considered left (their stance towards migration alone is all but left). And where are it's authoritarian positions?
You're throwing around a lot of terms that don't mean what you think they mean.
People like you are why such extremism can root freely. You want to avoid calling them left because you are left yourself and believe they aren't. They absolutely are. And you just don't accept reality.
Instead of insinuating stuff, you could also bring arguments. But I guess you have none. It shows.
Bro you just ignore arguments, also both of our arguments is that something is or isn't Left in a political sense. You don't support your claims with arguments either, probably because we are both right depending on who we ask.
The most important takeaway however is that BSW is undeniably a hardcore authoritarian party and mostly a east Germany phenomenon.
If its left or right will be seen next election, depending on where they take seat in the Bundestag, since they are a break away from the Left party, they will probably sit left from the view of the podium. The core problem we are at, is that nither left or right in common use are sufficiently defined to make a perfect point her.
If we'd take the Horseshoe theory again, BSW would be so far down left that its just "center" extremism but radical center is just not what they actually are.
Another takeaway is that they are absolutely a threat to democracy, just as the AFD is, and that they both suck putin dong.
You bring no arguments I could ignore. You only make assumptions and claims.
How do you even come to the conclusion BSW was authoritarian (that describes the use of (or desire to reach) a strong central power the rejection of political plurality) or left wing (which is defined by striving for societal progress and especially equal rights and equal chances for everyone, which BSW denies migrants).
That is something you never brought up before. What point do you think you make with this phenomenon?
Where you sit usually concurs with your political positions, but does not define it.
Why should we, since it's debunked?
Again something you claimed but never supported with anything.
Here are some German (german language) sources supporting my claims you might translate it with a translator.
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/bsw-wagenknecht-linke-102.html
https://www.n-tv.de/ticker/BSW-zieht-vor-allem-Menschen-an-die-bisher-die-Linke-oder-die-AfD-waehlten-article24990766.html
https://taz.de/Abschneiden-von-BSW-und-Linkspartei/!6015450/
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/buendnis-sahra-wagenknecht-108.html
https://www.tagesschau.de/wahl/archiv/2024-06-09-EP-DE/umfrage-bsw.shtml
https://www.tagesschau.de/wahl/archiv/2024-06-09-EP-DE/umfrage-werwas.shtml
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/europawahl-bsw-sahra-wagenknecht-analyse-100.html
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/europawahl-osten-afd-100.html
BSW is left "conservative", is way stronger in east Germany than west, has ties to Russia (due to Wagenknecht herself)
BSW doesn't have a official party program, but from what Wagenknecht herself and most of her followers are standing for, they are for stuff like mass surveillance, chat control... They don't like wrongthink wich might, just might be because Wagenknecht was very involved in the last years of SED, the party that is known for hardcore authoritarian shit. Also who they are funded and allied with speaks volumes, Putin and Xi aren't known to be very libertarian or democratic.
As seen in sources for proof of the fact.
I think the east, due to the very short democratic time is tending towards extremism, in general. The east was also more supportive of NSDAP and especially Saxony is extreme. I don't know why its like this, what i day here isn't provable, but based on evidence. Afd is btw the strongest party in all of the east basically.
In language it kinda does as the left right thing is essentially based on this.
Well, firstly i just used it as a example and Secondly, who debunked it? Can you give insight, i think its rather more proven than anything. Both sides tend to authoritarian and antidemocratic views thats the key takeaway, and the further down they go their side, the more similar they become, they do however not reach each other, a horseshoe has a finite end and the sides are still apart, it's explicitly not a circle.
BSW tries to get closer to AFD, they are anti EU and have ties to Russia and China, they want to end all help for Ukraine, want to leave nato and what not to throw the state Germany under the bus. They are a threat to democracy because they would like to deliver Germany to Russia/China on a silver plate.
You are just digging a bigger hole with every comment, adding more inconsequential arguments.
Your original claim was that they are an SED clone. Which is just not true. That would also not make sense, given that we live in a vastly different time than the original Cold War era.
BSW is a party that, for the moment, has way more presence in political talk shows than it does substance. They have a prominent ex-Linke face, they have ex-Linke members, but they also have nationalist and socially regressive views. Calling them left-wing is thus not particularly appropriate either.
And just like CyberEgg, I absolutely don't understand why you bring in all the arguments that don't do anything for your case. E.g: Yes, BSW is popular in Eastern Germany. But that doesn't mean they're an SED clone or left-wing. It just means that a bunch of people in Eastern Germany voted for this weird cult.
And for the record, none of that means that either CyberEgg or I like BSW.