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To be clear, being a chaser is transphobic.
Sure, depending on how you define chaser, but it's not applicable here.
How is it not transphile?
Because chasers undermine the expressed gender identity of trans individuals for the sake of their own sexual pleasure. Calling it "transphilic" is just semantical wordplay that dismisses the inherently predatory nature of chasers.
I don't get it.
How is it undermining that and not affirming? I mean to fetishise a group is wrong, I get that and that is also my opinion but if they want to fuck a transwoman they want that because she is a woman which affirms the womanhood?
And the point is how is it transhate if you like the trans aspect specifically. Doesn't make sense to me.
It is not a wordplay it is what those words mean. Phobic means something like hate or fear and phile means something like love or attraction.
The poor thing thinks words mean whatever they decide they mean. They're not capable of explaining their position in an intelligent way, either.
No, chasers are people that specifically fetishize transwomen or transmen for being trans.
Hmm okay. But the I still don't understand how it is transphobic.
Do you see why fetishizing black people for their skin coloris racist? Its similar to that.
I can see that. But that wouldn't be "negrophobic" either. Not everything negativ in the context of a group is phobia.
You don't understand how undermining someone's gender identity by focusing on them being trans over them being their expressed gender is transphobic?
No.
Edit: as phobic means you want to get away from something or don't want it to exist. Fetishising is the exact opposite.
If someone is arachnophobic that doesn't mean he wants to fuck a spider or undermine the identity of the spider. That someone wants the spider be gone because it is a spider.
Fetishizing is also phobic.
This whole exchange could be more productive if you could explain your opinions.
They're arguing that being sexually attracted to something is a phobia, the definition of which is having an irrational fear of something.
Do you really think this person has the ability to string enough words together to justify their opinion?
I hoped so.
Did you read the original reddit thread? Chasers are dangerous to the trans community. It isn't about being attracted to trans individuals, it's about specifically seeking them out for being trans and fetishizing them being trans.
Can you not see how this may look if you are the trans person in this relationship?
What do you think the word "phobia" means, just out of interest?
I'm not stupid, I know it means "fear of." Do you think Homophobes are "afraid" of gay people? What abiut transphobes? In the context of bigotry, phobia is used to refer to invalidating or undermining ones sexuality, gender identity, etc.
Literally talk to a trans person, or just read through that thread, it isn't difficult.
Yes.
Also yes.
That is the outcome of the irrational fear people feel towards those people.
Someone attracted to trans people because they are trans would be transphilic, not transphobic.
Talk to trans people about how they feel about lumping anti-trans views into the "transphile" category because rather than being hated outright, chasers simply prey on trans individuals and undermine their gender identity in a sickeningly fetishizing way.
Just touch grass.
This is the most bizarre stand I've seen someone take online, and that's really saying something. Phobic means an irrational fear or disgust off something, these people are clearly neither afraid or disgusted of trans people.
You're really gonna have to start writing more than one sentence per comment if you want anyone here to know what the fuck you're on about
I wrote a lot more than 1 sentence in the beginning and linked a good thread with a bunch of trans individuals discussing said topic. They aren't adding anything, just playing semantics with philic vs phobic.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phobia
It doesn't sound like they're afraid to me?
Someone upvoted this idiotic take, and whoever it was, I'm disappointed in you.
It sounds like the polar opposite to me.