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Chicken vs Egg (mander.xyz)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I've always interpreted it as which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?

But I'd just like to point out not all religions have that view of creationism vs evolution, and even within Christianity it's really only your super conservative, and very loud, fundamentalists. Catholicism doesn't have an official stance on evolution, iirc, the Episcopal church in the USA is fully supportive of evolution, as are most mainline Christians. Not to detract from your point or anything, I just don't like seeing all religious people, or all Christians, lumped together with some of the worst examples of religiosity that the US has to offer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I've always interpreted it as which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?

I agree. And this boils down to how you define 'chicken egg'. If the definition is "egg laid by a chicken", then the chicken had to have come first. If it's "egg that hatches a chick" (which will grow into a chicken), then the egg must have come first. But this ignores the pretty huge problem of picking a precise point on the evolutionary timeline where a non-chicken gave birth to a chicken. There isn't going to be such a clearly-defined point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah, but it's at least an interesting pointless unsolvable conundrum, whereas the other interpretations aren't even interesting. Lol.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Religion is usually bad, so I don't have an issue lumping them all together.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Jesus is the Ted McGinley of family gatherings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

C'mon man Sikhs are fucking chilled out

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Compared to other religions, I understand that take, if we neglect stuff like not living up to their own doctrine of, e.g., equal rights between women and men, or the Khalistan movement, which has caused death and abused human rights on several occasions, also by killing civilians.

Still, as most organized religions, it became emergent as a tool of mass control and subjugation. Moral behaviour is not formed by critical thought and self-reflection, but by devotion to some mysterious higher power. Which is and always has been a core issue of problematic behaviour we can so often observe today with religious people. A side-effect is that it has the danger of hindering progress and societal evolution by having a creationism as one of it's core teachings, as far as I know.

A further form of subjugation, hindering freedom of individual human (and harmless) expression, can be found among the Kakkars. For example the "dress-code" with having uncut hair, cotton undergarments etc..

I could go on. So to make it short, no, religions are usually detrimental for the long term constructive development of humanity and Sikhism is no exception.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

A lot of what you say can be applied to other, non-religious cultures, not least that of the west, albeit in different measure. Any society will develop an overarching system of rules and standards; it's necessary to avoid anarchy, which is more inimical to the broader progress of mankind. People naturally band together, it's an evolutionary trait, so regardless of what intangible strictures those tribes are subject to, there will always be friction between and indeed amongst them. Voltaire said "If God did not exist it would be necessary to create him." and he was dead right, he just didn't mean 'God' in the strictly theistic sense.

Ultimately, people are people, meaning they need reeling in or things go to shit. Perhaps there exists an ideal set of circumstances under which civilised man can live peacefully without noticeably impinging on his moral objectivity, but let's not hold our breath. As long as there are groups, there will be some cunts who tighten the shackles for everyone, whether it be by breaking the rules, or making the rules.

So yes, all religions are bad, but in the spirit of catching all, I'd go broader.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Whats a little light assassination between friends?!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

And why she was assassinated? It was her fault.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I'm not sure why you think that's relevant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This has vibes of "and why was she raped? it was her fault."

To be fair though I haven't even clicked the link and I know nothing about this. For all I know, maybe this person was literally Hitler and assassination was the only way to stop them. But even then, we can conclusively say that this was not chill.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nope realy poor analogy. Ya she was Indian Hitler.

If a Jew had killed Hitler would u have called it Judaism's fault.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

No, but I wouldn't say anything about this was chill