majicwalrus

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I think we can also say that Starfleet (or the Federation) is better while still allowing the stories to be allegorical and topical. I mean, it was unfair that Richard Bashir went to jail for genetic tampering because it's a bad law, but 2 years on in a Federation prison is just not quite the same as what we have now.

But, to that end, Starfleet has always looked a little bit like this. They tried to treat Data as property. They tried to do racism against Crewman Tarses. And imperfect officers break the rules and sometimes forge evidence to sway a Romulan senator - or murder them.

Allowing for that nuance is interesting - and holding Starfleet to a higher standard also lets us understand where we as regular people need to be held to higher standards. I would love to break canon by doing prison abolition before global catastrophe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This may also be a commentary on modern policing in America where the vast majority of those accused of crimes are never given an opportunity to plead their case because they can choose to plea down to a lesser offense and avoid jail or risk a trial that might risk 20 years. It sucks though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To your comments about the floating nacelles - what's even supposed to be the point? I can't imagine how having nacelles detached offers that much of an advantage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

You are correct. We can't really infer much about Una's citizenship status and so letters of recommendation or sponsorships aren't of concern. But with that being said - if Una can be a citizen and be modified then so could Dal. Albeit the restriction on genetically modified people serving in Starfleet seems to stick all the way through to the late 2370s and early 2380s at least.

In fact, unfortunately, we still see a fair amount of bigotry towards modified people persisting into the 2370s, but perhaps by then the difference between a modified Ilyrian and a modified human are more substantial. Dal, being a non-human (I guess?) might face less bigotry in his era than Una faced in hers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's the no warp thing that really limits its ability. The saucer can 1. limp back home. or 2. stay put while the rest of the ship does something risky and then hope they don't have to resort to number 1.

I could see the saucer section being left in orbit to assist with evacuations while the stardrive section "goes for help" but even this seems like a bit situational.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

This is a good point and perhaps there is unused footage that mentions Alexander in more detail which would understandably be cut out if they weren't willing to lean in on it. It's easier for us to forget Alexander existed and to wonder "maybe he died" than to waste lines on that kind of backstory - at least in some writer's opinion which I could see an argument for.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't think there's anything that would prevent Dal from obtaining citizenship in the Federation. He could not however serve in Starfleet. Lying about it to Starfleet could be criminal, but probably just being modified isn't. Even Una says that she lived on a provisional colony where segregation existed between modified and unmodified Ilyrians suggesting that those Ilyrians would eventually be able to be granted citizenship in the Federation despite their status as modified.

Una had to be sponsored to join Starfleet which suggests that the colony didn't actually ever join the Federation entirely - whether it granted her citizenship status or not is unclear, but since she was sponsored into Starfleet she's probably not a Federation citizen as such.

I would really like to see Prodigy take cues from SNW here and address Dal's genetics. Janeways says Starfleet will never allow him, but maybe he's just the right person to further change the law and Starfleet policy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

He was not under investigation for being genetically modified. I think a key aspect of this episode and that episode is that Julian and Una were both under investigation for concealing their status as genetically modified. Neither of them faced any penalty for having the modifications done.

It is only Mr. Bashir who is punished for seeking out and obtaining genetic modification for his developmentally delayed child. Being genetically modified isn't a crime and I don't think it was ever depicted as such - but having a genetic modification done is a crime. And having one done on you prevents you from joining Starfleet in some cases. Although for all we know Ilyrians are given exception to genetic modification rules as long as they're honest about it, but no human has ever gotten an exception so Julian lied to protect his parents and to ensure he'd get into Starfleet.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I really loved the dress uniforms. Particularly the details on the collars and on the medals. I only wish they'd done a little more with the Admiral dress uniforms. Leaving them all in Federation Blue like early Discovery is a little odd.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I would like to believe that as well, but we are left with very little to make us believe that other than good will towards Worf. It seems like a particularly glaring oversight to have the season of Picard featuring Picard and Beverly's long lost son, Geordi's daughters, memories of Thaddeus Riker's death, and the first time we've seen Worf in a long time not explicitly mention at least once that Worf is also a member of the parent club.

Instead what we do see are exclusively episodes where Worf's relationship with his son is not treated as a core part of Worf's character - even attempts to reconcile go basically no where.

A single line to Enterprise-D crew about how Alexander is the commander of an entire Klingon battle fleet now and that fills Worf with great pride would have solidified that the characters reconciled. Hell, it's kind of weird that no one asks about Alexander since all the Enterprise-D crew readily know that Worf has a son. But instead, just like the writers, Worf has apparently forgotten that he has a child and so is written as though he doesn't have one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

That post is actually what made me consider how well Discovery managed to do what the OP mentions in their first season. Answering the question of "why send all the senior staff" by making the main players not senior staff just works.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The decision to not even drop his name in this season of Picard really hammers how bad of a father Worf really was. This is absolutely something that should be explored in a Worf-centric story. There's a lot of context for how Worf was raised by Humans, but Alexander was not.

DS9 tries very hard to deal with this, but they actually make it worse by mistake.

Worf: "I cannot fix the mistakes I have made, but from now on I will stand with you. I will teach you what you need to know to be a warrior, and you will teach me what I need to know to be a father." Alexander: "Let's see if you mean it."

And clearly he didn't. He was too caught up in his own warrior's journey to consider Alexander. Alexander left, remained Klingon on Klingon ships and continues to be estranged from his father.

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