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Yeah this is really beautiful and enlightening, it's hard to deprogram yourself from this shit as you're spoon fed so much stuff from the get-go it's hard to reassess what's different forms of wester kompromat.

Many apologies upon a reread that's a lot more clear I think I just mistook the context of how westerners espouse about these issues to Thomas and I'm wound up in these same biases.

Thanks a billion, probably more than a hint I should do the leg work lol. I'll edit in anything I find interesting!

Thanks for explaining it to me a lot more clearly, you have any good resources to read into this about? Any authors you'd recommend? This is a massive blind spot in my political knowledge.

Look I'm genuinely trying to get what your argument is there's no need to be so combative because I used the wrong word for that island and the people inside of it. I don't think I'm being obtuse or anything, just you presented a tautological argument without any evidence so I don't know what I'm supposed to read into.

I'm really sorry I'm not quite following what you're saying. Taiwan are claiming all of China?

I think the question is surely should or does Taiwan want independence rather than pointing to the top of a Wikipedia page right?

Thank you so much that offers some great jump off points for some reading. I'm definitely too uniformed to have an opinion here lol.

Maybe I'm missing something but how does this legitimise the claim that China has over Taiwan? Surely you could use the same line of reasoning with Israel right? Genuinely curious btw as I've only ever dipped my toe into the history of this stuff. I feel like I'd like to look at any data gathered about how people living in Taiwan feel about this.

Wow that was definitely an enlightening read on the etymology, so the word was fucked from the get go haha..

Sean O’Conaill (1976) - 'I would not suggest such a thing were it not for the Whatabouts. These are the people who answer every condemnation of the Provisional I.R.A. with an argument to prove the greater immorality of the “enemy”, and therefore the justice of the Provisionals’ cause: “What about Bloody Sunday, internment, torture, force feeding, army intimidation?”. '

I believe that was the original intent of the word, just wondering if it's essentially defunct because of how it's used now.

Another casualty of the American market.

I know it gets used like shit but do you think there's any utility in the term 'whataboutism' if the definition is strict? Like I always understood it to be pointing out ludicrous pontificating about things that'll never happen. Obviously that's not how it's used at all in reality and your description is much more apt.