LeylaLove

If leaf was available to me, I'd never touch caffeine. I don't react well to caffeine, but find low dose nicotine or cocaine to be insultingly effective. I can't really handle doing coke recreationally, it's just too much on my body. But it was the stim that hit me the way stims are supposed to hit people with ADHD. So the few times I've gotten actual leaf, it's been an amazing few days of functional medication.

Coca isn't addictive until it's extracted out of the plant. One line of coke is probably like taking 10+ leafs at the exact same time in a way that's far faster than chewing.

Yeah, agree that nephites are bullshit. Nothing Smith says should be taken seriously. Just wanna make it very clear that I'm not trying to defend the truth of Mormon historical accounts because they're clearly bullshit. But mormons over here do claim they found the plates. Remember, I don't live in Utah, I live by THAT tree. I hope you know what I'm talking about when I say that. I can PM you the place, but I can firmly say that I live in a place that facilitates a more disingenuous Mormon. This is a really hard thing to research into because I think I may be talking about things that I heard through word of mouth over the years and a couple articles I remember. I wouldn't be surprised if the church has just done a particularly good job of making people over here ignore the plates. Like I said, regardless of what is true, the plates they show are for people already in the church, not outsiders. They show them so that people get more wrapped up in it. But like I said, nothing has hieroglyphics on it.

I'd be more concerned about keeping things fully accurate, but we're talking about religion where what people believe is literally the whole thing. Joseph Smith loved archaeological finds, if the plates don't exist, he's still a grave digger who stole artifacts from other civilizations. With his history, I find distinctions on him to be unimportant

With what other people have said in this thread, I assume the tablets around here are something that the Mormons stole to keep the ruse up.

The point I'm trying to make is that even if everything the church says is true, Smith's reported translation techniques are absolutely fucking ridiculous and invalidates anything he wrote. I can't say where I live, but you seem to know about mormonism so I'm just gonna mention that god damn tree and hope you know where I'm talking about. They show tablets up here, I saw them in the museum as a kid. RLDS and COC are huge up here, so Mormons have to come up with something to make themselves not look stupid. Whether or not JS actually used them is questionable, but the modern church definitely has tablets in a museum that I've seen indigenous people claim as their people's tablets. My writing mostly does agree with church history, because I think JS is one of the funniest grifters to ever grift because of how blatantly ridiculous the grift is.

The truth of the Mormon church barely even matters because their lies are just so blatantly stupid. However, I'd say that even if this is just a local myth because of where I live. Their accounts of the situations don't make them look good. It's like the church actually showing the "seers stone"? Their own account of history makes them look like massive idiots.

Let me look for it. The source I remember for certain is that they have "tablets" in the museums they own near me. However, I know I saw an article about it being an indigenous artifact at one point. Time to scroll through my reddit history

I live in one of the Mormon centers outside of Utah. I can't go into detail without doxxing myself, but if you're Mormon, all I can say is that fucking tree. In the museums around here that the Mormons own, they show tablets but they don't have Hieroglyphics on it. Whether or not JS used those tablets is up for debate, but modern sects of Mormonism claim indigenous artifacts as the tablets.

The tablets are real, although I wouldn't put it past the later church leadership to steal indigenous artifacts to cover for the lie though. But we know that Smith loved looting indigenous graves during the trail of tears so it does make sense for him to find them. They show pictures of the tablets at their museums. I think they want to avoid the discussion of what the plates actually are, so they keep it low key. It's obviously not hieroglyphics, seeing the tablets only makes it less believable if you're already in on the grift. If you see them as an outsider, it's obvious bullshit.

Joseph Smith was one of the greatest grifters to ever do it, honestly. One of the most transparent yet successful grifts I've ever seen. Mormon culture is a fucking fever dream that feels like living in what the west says North Korea is. Some of the shit he got away with would be extremely comedic if there weren't victims. Getting your prophecies from a paper bag is fucking hilarious. The way he pushed polygamy in his relationship was so fucking funny. All accounts of Joseph Smith's speaking make me feel like he was the proto George Santos where the grift is just so fucking absurd that I can't help but laugh. I bet Smith could have convinced his people that he shat gold.

Brigham Young is just a straight monster though. He wasn't funny, just evil.

This really undersells how batshit insane Mormon history is. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were massive fans of the ephedra plant, aka ephedrine. They were the OG tweaker cult. First off, the fucking gold tablets. Book of Mormon is a translated set of gold tablets with "hieroglyphics" that Smith just found in the woods. While many laypeople believe these gold tablets to be forgeries created by the church, this simply isn't the case. The truth is far worse. The gold tablets are from an indigenous kingdom that had long since disappeared. Obviously, these weren't hieroglyphics, but how the fuck would Smith know? He doesn't know hieroglyphics or the lost language on the tablet. So he just kinda fuckin freeballed it while getting high as fuck on ephedrine. That's literally the base of the entire religion

Another thing that I literally could not make up if I tried. After Smith died and the Mormons ruled Utah, they tried making their own alphabet. The fucking letter G is an among us that is pronounced "gay". Their "promised land" literally had a giant saltwater lake. When they settled, they got completely overran by Mormon crickets, bugs that can swarm up to 100 in a square meter.

This isn't even getting into how Brigham Young made Joseph Smith look like a saint. Dude had like 10x more wives than Smith, and is thought to have killed 1/5th of his children. Also declared war on the federal government to try to claim Utah as New Zion. OH BOY THAT REMINDED ME OF MORMON ZIONISM. Mormons are Zionists, but don't use the term to refer to Israel. They actually think Utah/Arizona are the Mormon promised land. When I was younger, they got pissed off at Jewish Zionism for being fakes.

I know quite a bit about Mormons as someone who was raised by them.

As someone with schizophrenia, I can say that the west demonizing psychedelics (shrooms and DMT specifically) has probably set back the treatment of schizophrenia really hardcore. There is a very heavy DMT presence in schizophrenia. I don't know what role is plays exactly, but it is clear as day that DMT is partially responsible for the visuals. And people around me say I pretty much always act like I'm on shrooms. Psychedelic trials are essential to ever getting good schizophrenia treatment.

Also, the coca leaf was a lot like this before the west came in. Chewing a coca leaf doesn't get you super high, it's like a slightly harder cup of coffee, not even particularly addictive when treated right. America literally ruined every common plant medicine. Even starting to fight kratom even though kratom is essential for alleviating the fentanyl crisis in the nation. The US wants criminals, not functioning people

Gotta add some dairy or something else to make the mold bad.

Yeah, NK's state media has always had a very off and somewhat idealist view of the DPRK. Most information you find on the nation doesn't pass the sniff test. They also seem to be the oddball of the socialist countries.

This is one that made me question the western narrative on NK. An article about a stoner getting some North Korean weed and smoking in a restaurant like it was no big deal.. Very good read