HauntedBySpectacle

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

I find this idea appealing on paper but I think in practice it is way too individualist and idealist.

I am white, and if tomorrow I decided that I am not a white person at all but instead my particular nationality and ethnicity, absolutely zero conditions for me would change. I would still be privileged in a court room, in an interaction with police, in a job interview, in receiving healthcare, etc. regardless of my personal feelings on my identity. I would be socially understood as white no matter what. White is a social category, not a choice. If I did decide this, absent massive societal change, I would just be denying social reality. Is that actually helpful?

I don't think it is possible to have an individual disidentification with whiteness which would mean anything to other people and to society. It's putting the cart before the horse. The concept and identity of white will disappear when the conditions that make it a meaningful distinction disappear, not when many people decide individually that they no longer belong to it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The same OP of that thread called a biracial person in this thread a "half cracker" to dismiss their discomfort with posts they feel are hateful or self-hateful.

I think we should be able to recognize that there is a line crossed by some of these posts where they aren't really jokes anymore, and actually reflect essentialist ideology. that's a lack of theoretical understanding, and worse, a lack of kindness and empathy for different perspectives.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

you should reflect on how saying something like this to a marginalized person expressing their discomfort is harmful and antisocial. Do you talk to people like this in real life too?

Also, are you white? Fully, that is

If the answer is yes, I suspect you have a lot more actual self-crit, not self-flaggelation, to do.

(I myself am white, so if any nonwhite users here want to chime in on this or push back on what I said, I would appreciate it.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I really agree overall.

if you were to apply this same principle to this conversation it seems like saying "I hate white people" isn't actually annoying in that way because it doesn't draw attention away from societal issues

On this site and in similar contexts (i.e. with an audience already pretty on board), I agree it doesn't really shift attention. This site has never been about "optics" and I think that's fine. In a different context, like if you were sharing critiques of white supremacy (in person) with someone who is ignorant of them, I do think that would be a distraction from the point and likely to confuse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I mean the amount of times I’ve seen “you leftists made me hate black people!!” Bc of some light ribbing of white people is wild.

I have seen this too and obviously that doesn't fly. I'm not convinced any of those people were left to begin with though. At best amenable to it

I like ribbing and taking the piss. I think it can be funny and in good taste. It's just a very different vibe when, say, a black stand comedian has a bit about white people doing such and such than when this website (that is maybe 80-90% white) posts threads like "IMMEDIATE GENOCIDE OF ALL KKKRAKKKERS NOW". I think the former can be really funny, but the latter comes off as... weird, at best. A lot of the time it doesn't even have the structure of a joke. There's no punchline. Compare that even to took-restraint, where there is a setup and a payoff. I think that meme is pretty funny, and at this point, a more accurate lampooning of some people than I ever expected before.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Now with added salt!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I agree. I would never expect my post, or any post, to make that not happen at all

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (5 children)

It is a shame how often these go together.

can't there be a middle ground between thin-skinned identification with mayoism and performative self-flaggelation?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't think they educate anyone in that. If one finds them funny, one is already well convinced of critiques of white supremacy. They're jokes, not education.

I just want more creative jokes tbh

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (12 children)

It doesn't need to be racist to be cringe or unhelpful

Honestly I thought these jokes were funny 3 or 4 years ago but have we not beat the dead horse enough at this point? It's just overplayed now

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Even if this were true, nato-cool does exactly the same thing: https://www.act.nato.int/article/cognitive-warfare-strengthening-and-defending-the-mind/

Every accusation a confession

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