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They are saying he isn't investing in "America"

What is with this post title?

Thanks for sending this, I have actually seen this one before. I really enjoy Second Thought!

Thanks for the context and the link to the report. I definitely agree with most of what you said, the damage that America has caused is magnitudes more than 9/11 and actions taken by America continue to contribute to radicalization. I can see why someone would say that America deserved 9/11, but I guess what doesn't sit right with me is joking that the actual individuals impacted by 9/11 deserved it or trivializing their deaths. Just like the people who were impacted by Americas unjustified actions in the Middle East didn't deserve it. I do share the frustration though, so thanks for the response.

What do you call 2000 dead businessmen? A good start.

I just find this very reductive. Just because someone was working in the WTC doesn't make them the bourgeoisie. Maybe I don't understand class distinction well (actually I know I don't), but I find takes like these wild and dehumanizing.

So you want all businessmen, firemen, EMTs/Paramedics, secretaries, receptionists, janitors to be executed because of their complicit support of capitalism and NATO imperialism?

Okay, of course every aggressive act has some form of excuse/justification that is given/believed by the aggressor. That doesn't mean that it was actually a valid justification. Of course it is important to look back to see what events and actions aided in creating the situation that allowed for aggressive acts to take place, but it doesn't change the fact that in many of these instances, including that in Ukraine is the aggressors fault, and is unjustified. The events following WW1 created a situation in Germany that allowed Fascism to thrive, and there were many decisions made by the West and the USSR that led to some of the atrocities in WW2, but that doesn't change the fact that the actions of Nazi Germany were unjustified and reprehensible.

A problem that I see is that a lot of replies and statements that immediately place blame on the West/NATO while glossing over the fact that the main contributor to the war in Ukraine is Russia. It is important to highlight that actions taken by the west played a part, but not without recognizing that Putin is the aggressor and is at fault for the invasion.

They have to distinguish between the Clippers and Lakers somehow.