Hate tankies as much as you want, but at least they don't deny that USSR was the real communism.
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Even with this extended definition, your argument fails the most important criteria for genocide with the UN definition which is:
The intent is always hard to prove. But I am glad that you agree that the only difference would be the intent ;)
Yet, if you read about some cases, you might see that the intent was not always proven or obvious, and some cases are considered genocide even without intent. For instance, take Holodomor, which is being more and more recognized as a genocide, even though unintentional. But I am happy to talk about other cases.
You appear to be unable or unwilling to distinguish between "preventing births" and "voluntarily choosing not to have children."
I would be happy to further discuss the distinction and show you my willingness. But since you are not willing to engage in discussion.
Not sure why you're quite so interested in escalating the rhetoric here (forced sterilization? in a thread that started with individual action to save honeybees? really?
I am not "escalating the rhetoric". And I didn't suggest either that the way to not have honeybees is to "not have kids". If you want to talk about absurd statements, talk to that guy.
Telling one person that they can help out by not having kids is rather different from, as the dictionary says
Your definition seems to be quite limited. Many acknowledged genocides would not be treated as such. According to Wikipedia, the UN Genocide Convention is much broader:
Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2]
Spreading an ideology according to which one shouldn't have kids, thus preventing births, would fall into this definition.
Even suggesting to a whole group of people not to have kids is not the same as killing them.
You are correct, it is not the same as killing them, but no one was arguing that. Again, limiting genocide to the deliberate killing of individuals would be quite a lenient definition, and various laws that targeted various ethnic minorities would not be considered genocides, despite them being considered as ones and having the same exact effect. Consider forced sterilization. You don't have to forcibly kill anyone, yet probably everyone here would agree that it is a genocide.
This is "don't have kids" taken to its logical conclusion. Nothing absurd about this.
Pains me that more people are unable to follow the chain of thoughts and reach this conclusion.
Let me entertain a hypothetical solution. Would you suggest to Palestinians to "not have kids" to solve the ethnic conflict in that area?
what is with kbin posters and takes like this man
If anything, this is a non-sequitur.
But maybe there is a grain of truth in there. People who were horrified that the lemmy dev and main mod of lemmy.ml was a proponent of hard left stayed away of lemmy (both SW and instances) and went to kbin instead. And since "don't have kids" is mostly popular on the more extreme left... you get self-selected opinions.
(honestly, I had no clue that I was not beehaw, just saw a braindead post and replied)
You just became a Disney princess.
Ah, so you support genocide.
It's a bit more nuanced
That is not more nuanced those are plain facts. OP is plainly lying.
She is accused and jailed for voluntarily being a part of a smuggling operation, even when she was explicitly told not to do so by the Italian government.
Compared to completely normal rescue efforts when a boat or plane capsize, when workers are trapped in a mine, when someone is lost in the mountains, or when a bunch of nobodies are taken hostage by a criminal organisation, be it local or abroad.
Again, this is not nuance, those are commonly known facts that OP is lying about.
Fascism is not focused on Genocide. Even for Nazism, Genocide is only a (welcomed) byproduct.