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Skiff has been acquired by notion, is shutting down (skiff.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/11703528

It was fun while it lasted. The recent addition of PGP support was very welcome, and I thought that such support might have been a sign that they were in it for the long-term with the email product, but I thought wrong.

Dear Skiff Community,

We are excited to share that Skiff is joining Notion.

Skiff's mission is to bring freedom to the internet by helping people collaborate and communicate with freedom and privacy. We see a deep alignment with Notion’s vision to build a connected workspace and enable everyone to build tools that reflect their values.

We’re extremely excited to accelerate our mission by joining forces with Notion’s world-class team. We sincerely hope that the Skiff community will join us for this next stage of our journey. We’re pursuing big plans for making all of our online lives freer and more empowered, and these plans will carry forward directly the ambitions we’ve strived for alongside the Skiff community.

As we begin to shift focus to our shared efforts with Notion, we will be closing down Skiff's product suite after a 6-month sunset period We are deeply appreciative of the trust users have extended to us, and we are committed to honoring that trust by ensuring that all data on Skiff is easily exportable. For the next 6 months, Skiff services will continue to operate without disruption, and users can freely duplicate, migrate, or export data. You can now also set up a forwarding address to redirect mail to any other provider.

Our commitment to privacy and security is unchanged. All user data remains end-to-end encrypted, and Skiff products will never monetize your data. Accounts and data on Skiff will not be converted into Notion accounts.

We encourage you to export your data and migrate custom domains within the next 6 months. We’ve prepared this guide to make that process as easy as possible. For any other questions, our support team is readily available via the in-app “Send feedback” option or at [email protected].

The Skiff community has lifted, inspired, and energized us at every step. We are humbled by your support and we apologize for any disappointment or inconvenience this change may cause you. We remain as committed as ever to bringing about the vision for a better internet that brought us together. Thank you for being part of the Skiff family, and we look forward to continuing to serve you with our future efforts.

Sincerely, Skiff Team

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 9 months ago

Private until the first buyout offer.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They basically said fuck you to anyone who got a yearly plan on Black Friday

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Yup. Fuck.

Any other good services besides protonmail?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Mailbox.org is probably the most affordable

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I wish the address book and calendar information were also encrypted

However, Open-Exchange, the software platform used by Mailbox.org, does not support the encryption of your address book and calendar. A standalone option may be more appropriate for that information. (source)

I currently use protonmail but if mailbox.org made that change I'd switch immediately, so I could actually get calendar integration on KDE (with Kontact)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've not heard of these before. Do you use them yourself?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Only recently, but been recommended them a few times here and there. Seems very good so far, personally use it with Thunderbird, as I prefer the UI and features it offers. It's also very very reasonably priced. Plus it's German service, so has good privacy laws (depends on your privacy model I guess), but suits mine.

There is also https://posteo.de/en, that could be worth checking out.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I used Tutanota a few years ago, they have a bit less features and their apps are kind of janky/old feeling, but they have slightly better security because of reasons I forget (iirc something about encrypting the email subject, not sure though)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I like Tutanota, and honestly, even though the app feels "old", I kind of like it. I don't think of that as "old" , I think of it as "professional". It doesn't look like a fisher price toy with giant round objects taking up the visual space, floating an annoying distance from on another for no reason. Though I'm keenly aware some "modern" UI designer will be brought in at some point to make it chase iOS aesthetics, as all apps must apparently do now.

What I don't like about Tutanota is that if I want to use something other than the app, there's no way. You can't use Tutanota in a different email client and you can't automatically forward emails.

I appreciate why. Only allowing access to email through their app helps keep everything encrypted end-to-end.

But not providing the option to allow certain mailboxes to be pulled into Thunderbird or Outlook makes it hard to justify a full move to Tuta. I don't need that level of security for every single email sent to every single one of my addresses, and I'd like the convenience of being able to let some come through to Thunderbird.

Proton allows this an option, Tutanota does not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Tuta is cool! Its simple they use webview for Android App, I tested it last year for some school work and I liked it a lot.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Disroot might work 4 you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

It isn't e2ee encrypted unless you use pgp

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Man. I tried Skiff last year and was impressed. The only thing I didn't like was there was no easy export option for my mail. I ended up on Proton. Skiff was looking promising. Kinda glad I dodged that bullet now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Yeah a lot of these privacy focused email services refuse to let you export or forward or pull mail to a third party client. On the surface, it makes sense for the encryption and privacy they advertise. In reality, it feels like denying the user the option to control their email how they choose, and a way to keep you having to use their apps.

Always be wary of any privacy or security service that doesn't give you an easy option to bypass their walls with your own data should you want to. Far, far too often the tech space in general refuses to acknowledge that security and privacy are extremely convenient covers for blatant vendor lock-in tactics.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I tried their email out for some time and was contemplating fully switching over. But somewhat in their email has always felt broken to me. Some days it was the text editor. Other days it was the reader and account thumbnails. Their support was responsive but their engineering really gave the feeling that they didn't care in the past few months.

I guess that's why. I just wish something in tech isn't just working towards an MVP and then once it is out or sold, goodbye.

Alternative to Google, they said. It didn't seem so alternative by its way of hitting the graveyard.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

It didn’t seem so alternative by its way of hitting the graveyard.

tbh, that's classic google. I'm sure you know of the google graveyard