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[–] [email protected] 96 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

A cautionary tale if you're considering.

Years ago someone left my employer abruptly, and on their desk was left a fancy vertical mouse. It sat there for a few days, and I kept glancing over, at first ambivalent, but as time passed the temptation increased. I debated the dilemma of becoming a vertical mouse person, was that really for me? Eventually I succumbed and thought hey it's worth a try, see what it's like to be one of them... pure learning opportunity...

Then something happened... I got used to it in about a half hour and in the first day my precision improved. A sudden urge came over me to tell all my coworkers, was I really becoming one of those people so fast? Trying to resist was futile and within a couple days I became a vertical mouse person, always wanting to tell everyone how great they are, constantly resisting the urge. I forgot what life was like with a horizontal mouse, and I never looked back.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That wasn't cautionary at all it's just a fucking advert.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

All hail trackballs ٩( ᐛ )و

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Thumball with 3D printed vertical stand yes I got asked about it a lot

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago

I’m getting proud parent vibes from your creation.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have that same mouse for work stuff. Care to share the model for printing?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah np

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2684322

You'll need some kind of grippy stuff on bottom. I used an adhesive rubber mat like this https://a.co/d/g8UqtfV and cut it out or those little stick on rubber feet might work.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 10 months ago (2 children)

As an IT support person, the problem I have with these mice is that the left mouse button is also on the vertical. So when heavy-handed users click on a file in explorer, they also slightly drag down, so the file “disappears” into a folder, and now it’s a support ticket to get the file restored.

Sigh.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They are great, but I have two issues with my left handed one:

  • Right handed people just cannot use it, I can't just give someone else my mouse for a minute.
  • For some stupid reason, the left and right mouse button are switched, so now I have to switch it back in software, so now the buttons on my laptop touchpad are switched.
[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The IT manager at my previous job used this as a security feature.

People thought that because he was the IT manager he could just get another mouse, so they'd just take his when they left their mouse at home and never return it.

So he got a left handed vertical mouse even though he is right handed.

Nobody steals his mouse now because it is vertical and cannot be used in the right hand.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We had a guy learn Dvorak specifically so no one could take his keyboard. Madman or brilliant?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (8 children)

i find these WAY more painful to use than a normal mouse, it puts all my weight on that hemispherical bit in the wrist and the angle is just slightly off being the neutral position for my hand so it's instead constantly putting stress on the arm..

i want one that's just slightly more tilted than a normal mouse.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My Logitech MX Master 2 has a decent amount of angle without being vertical, maybe something like that is what you're looking for?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

MX Master is my favorite mouse line by far. Amazing scroll wheel, side scroll wheel, good angle and buttons, and can swap between 3 computers.

I have my Master 3 set up for my work pc, my Surface, and my editing computer.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I need me a Logitech G502 hero equivalent but vertical, no way I'm giving up all these extra quick buttons

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Really love the feel of my Logitech G pro tbh. Super clicky, light, and smooth. The texture of the material is great too.

It's not at all ergonomic bc it is an ambidextrous design but it hasn't bothered me yet and I use my PC way more than I should.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

When a mouse and a joystick love each other very much, this is the end result.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (10 children)

trackball gang trackball gang trackball gang

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Even better, join the trackball gang

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (16 children)

I tried and ironically my wrists didn't like it at all.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Any suggestions for a good quality vertical? The one the office purchased for me feels cheap and the time-to-sleep is too short(mouse doesn't wake on motion).

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

The two I've used are the one in the image (it's from Anker, I forget the model) and Logitech's MX Vertical (they have a second, smaller version if the original is too big). I've been maining the Vertical the past 4 years for work and personal use.
Both have pros and cons:
Anker is cheaper. ~$35 vs ~$80. Also has a built in slot to put the receiver in when not in use.
It curves with your hand more than the Vertical.
Anker uses easily replaceable AAA batteries. Usually lasted me about 3 months before I needed to swap them. I only used it for work though.

The Vertical can connect to 3 different devices (1 dongle, 2 Bluetooth) whereas Anker is limited to whatever the dongle is connected to.
The Vertical is made of better feeling materials; like a rubber for extra grip vs hard plastic with the Anker.
There's a USB C port to charge its (not easily replaceable) battery.
Edit: Vertical won't go to "sleep" like the Anker will. If the Anker isn't touched for X minutes, it will go to sleep and you'll have to click one of the switches to wake it. Otherwise moving it won't move the cursor. Not that huge of an issue, but definitely annoying if you don't know what's going on.

However, there is a design flaw with the Vertical. Logitech run their wireless mice at very low voltage and current to save on battery. That's how they get a 240 mAh battery to last for around a month of heavy use.
The problem with this is you need to use particular switches, otherwise corrosion starts to build up on the connectors. This corrosion leads to incomplete or missed clicks, phantom double clicks, or it's impossible to hold a click.
From what I remember, standard switches are designed for 5V, since that's what wired mice normally run at. But modern wireless mice operate around a tenth of that. Logitech never made the switch (heh) to switches rated for that low voltage. At least not when I bought mine.

My Vertical had that issue. And rather than buy an entirely new mouse, I went in, desoldered the old switches and replaced them with new ones (I think I went with Kale's light blue switches). I did that in summer '22 and haven't had any issues since.
The rubber material is also showing wear and tear where my fingers sit, but that's just cosmetic.

I got the Anker one for my mom holiday '22 and she's been happy with it. It helped the discomfort in her hand.
Both mice improved the stiffness in my right hand, so either one will get the job done. I will also say that there is a bit of an adjustment period. Surprisingly, changing the angle of your hand kind of throws you off and takes some getting used to. Before my office went remote, my coworkers would avoid using it because it wasn't easy for them to switch to for just a short period of time.

Hopefully this info is helpful. I can try answering any questions you have on them, but those are the only two I have experience in.

Edit 2: Phrasing

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

I use the Logitech MX Vertical. https://a.co/d/9eDjEZ8

Took a little getting used to, but the wrist pain is gone and the mouse is reliable.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not the only one who sees a shark with its jaws opened, right?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

so i love my mx master and i use the freewheeling scroll wheel all the time. the mx vertical mouse has a standard scroll wheel :p

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I had constant wrist pain and switched to evoluent vertical mouse in like 2015 and haven’t had pain since. And it’s an added layer of security

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Move the wheel under the thumb. Until then it's anything but ergonomic.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Knock over your mouse countless times while moving your arm around.

Still worth it, though.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

keyboard, with touchpad fallback when it's absolutely necessary gang

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I saw one an am curious, does it work well with fps games?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Depends what you expect. On a pro tournament level, nobody will use a vertical mouse. Usually they are a little bit heavier than regular mouses, plus they have a slightly higher center of gravity. This makes them a little bit more "wobbly" during ultra fast movements.

However, for regular playing, they work just fine. I don't play on pro level, but okay competitive shooters almost daily, and I haven't noticed any real disadvantage. And it helped my wrists enormously, because I'm a full time office worker as well. I decided a couple years ago that the small theoretical disadvantage is not worth the risk of RSI and have been using the cheap CSL/Anker/whatever vertical mouses since. Only very recently I boughta second, regular mouse with more thumb buttons, useful for some sim games I play. I now tend to switch fairly randomly between the two, which probably is even better for hand and wrist.

Additional info: getting used to a vertical mouse takes much less time than most people expect. Yes, it's weird at first, but start working or gaming and you'll stop noticing the different posture very quickly.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How far have you sent your vertical mouse flying off the desk?

I know you've done it. Right after you typed that thing and went to click that button.

Life is hard for vertical mice.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Been uing them for a long time. But it is really hard to find a good one under 40/50€. Normal mouses have a lot of the goodones in 30€.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Yes! The pictured one is a good one too. But currently using the Logitech MX Vertical.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How do you grasp it? Do you hold it like a massive cock? A gearstick? A pencil?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I really wish, they would release a gaming oriented vertical mouse. High DPI sensor, good clicker switches, etc. Right now stuck with my Logitech lift that tops out at 4000 dpi and has mushy switches.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

As a CAD industrial drafter, I approve.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Mice rise up

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

lol I got the exact mouse in the post right next to me. it was the cheapest vertical mouse I could find and the scroll wheel makes awful skreeching noises. Works perfectly though and the wrist pain is long gone

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