Biden needs to publically spank bibi now or else he's lost the election.
this post was submitted on 21 Jan 2024
99 points (96.3% liked)
News
23014 readers
9 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Netanyahu needs to freaking go. He needed to go back 20 years when I was a hearing about him arguing with Arafat, and he needs to go even more now.
Netanyahu is going to wreck Joe Biden's reputation and allow Trump bank in power. US democracy is doing to die and the world might be thrown into chaos and a third world war thanks to Israël.
I'm sure Netanyahu would much rather deal with Trump. All he has to do is compliment his big, manly hands and the orange shitbird will do whatever Bibi asks.
Yes. He knows. I'm certain that's what he wants.
Biden also does whatever Bibi asks, he just is more vocally whiny about it. There's functionally zero difference.
Trump is definitely worse domestically, but I just don't buy that he'd be worse on this issue specifically.
Biden also does whatever Bibi asks, he just is more vocally whiny about it. There’s functionally zero difference.
I disagree. Trump is essentially amoral, there's no request he wouldn't consider. I don't think Biden is doing nearly enough to stand up to Netanyahu but to say they are the same isn't accurate.
Has there been a request that Biden won't consider? I don't mean when Biden vocally disagrees with something, I mean has he ever refused what Israel asks for materially?
Publicly? Not that I'm aware of. Behind the scenes, who knows?
If you're looking for a stark difference between the two on foreign policy, Trump would happily hand over Ukraine to his best buddy. Israel/Palestine is a different beast but to say the two Presidents are the same isn't accurate.
Publicly? Not that I’m aware of. Behind the scenes, who knows?
You have to realize, then, that it could be even worse behind the scenes. Biden needs to appease his angry base publicly, but privately? lol
Trump would happily hand over Ukraine to his best buddy.
Whereas Biden deliberately sabotaged peace talks to keep the war going. Let's not pretend either side is "better" on that issue either.
I'm not sure you understand how diplomacy works. You don't have difficult discussions in front of TV cameras.
It's not like I'm even a fan of Biden but your absolutist, "they are the same" stance needed a reality check.
Whereas Biden deliberately sabotaged peace talks to keep the war going.
Do you have a source on this?
Whereas Biden deliberately sabotaged peace talks to keep the war going.
Do you have a source on this?
They probably mean 'peace talks' of the sort where Ukraine is expected to roll over and let Russia take them, and then there'll be 'peace'
Or peace being contingent on Putin getting to keep some of the territory he stole. Either way, it would be news to me.
It’s not like I’m even a fan of Biden but your absolutist, “they are the same” stance needed a reality check.
Your only source for "they are not the same" is secret talks that you're imagining in your own head. Fanfiction.
Do you have a source on this?
What is becoming all too apparent is that this conflict didn’t have to still be going on right now; it didn’t have to stretch into the bloody war of attrition that it has turned into. The killing could have ended long ago.
Though Arakhamia’s anti-semitism has him looking in the wrong direction for explanations as to why Ukraine is losing, he does offer insights that are useful for understanding why the battles in the east are still raging.
It is clear that the US and its allies were out to sabotage possibilities for peace immediately after the Russian invasion. Were it not for their interference, the current war could have ended in early March 2022 — about a week after it started. Thanks to Arakhamia, we now have confirmation of this fact.
He was at the talks in Belarus and said the Russians would halt the invasion and leave Ukraine if there was agreement on Ukrainian military neutrality and its leaders gave up on Nato membership.
Rather than report this to the public, however, the media in Europe and the US focused on sensational statements that were not actually part of those negotiations. They insisted that the Russians made official demands in the talks to “de-nazify” a country that the Allies said had no Nazis. Further, Russia supposedly demanded direct control of not only the eastern Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine but also other vast stretches of the country.
Madeleine Albright, the now-deceased and famous US diplomat, once said that during negotiations, one must distinguish between what participants really want and what is just political theatre. In Belarus in March 2022, the US chose to focus on political theatre, diverting attention from the two key Russian demands.
Arakhamia said that internationally mediated negotiations in Istanbul, shortly after the March 2022 talks in Belarus, actually produced an agreement between Ukraine and Russia to bring the fighting to an end — based on those same points.
“[The Russians] were ready to end the war if we accepted neutrality like Finland once did. And we were ready to make a commitment that we would not join Nato. When we returned from Istanbul, [then-British Prime Minister] Boris Johnson came to Kiev and said: ‘Do not sign anything with them at all; just go to war,’” Arakhamia said.
Your only source for “they are not the same” is secret talks that you’re imagining in your own head. Fanfiction.
No, that they are not the same is blatantly obvious to everybody apart from you. Why is that?
Further, Russia supposedly demanded direct control of not only the eastern Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine but also other vast stretches of the country.
You're trying to blame Biden for this? Come on.
No, that they are not the same is blatantly obvious to everybody apart from you. Why is that?
When the president is talking you should always assume he is lying, either by omission or exaggeration or falsification. I only believe things that have proof, I never trust any president at his word because I'm old enough to know better. I came into political consciousness under Bush, then came into adulthood under Obama, and they were both absolute monsters on the international stage. Trump wasn't actually worse.
America is an evil empire. Grow up.
You’re trying to blame Biden for this? Come on.
A good negotiator will always ask for the best possible deal so that, by the time it is whittled down by compromise, it's at least acceptable to both sides. That's how all negotiations have always worked. Instead, Biden just made that conversation stop because he didn't want the war to end without a total and perfect Ukraine victory where zero territory is lost and Russia is militarily and geopolitically crippled.
And so the war goes on.
Oh boy ...
Trump wasn’t actually worse.
Let's leave it there. We obviously exist in different realities.
America is an evil empire. Grow up.
You're making a glib value judgement on an entire nation, completely devoid of nuance or evidence, and you're telling me to grow up?
The less said about you trying to blame Biden for the continuing war in Ukraine, the better.
Let’s leave it there. We obviously exist in different realities.
In terms of foreign policy he didn't start as many conflicts and he didn't kill as many people and didn't collapse as many governments, and his worst policies (officially recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, was a huge proponent of the Israel normalization talks in the Middle East) were not undone by Biden. Biden continued or expanded most of Trump's foreign policy.
You’re making a glib value judgement on an entire nation
I'm talking about the empire, which is undoubtedly evil. The more history I learn the more I hate it. The history of the Indian Wars, the Cold War, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Monroe-Doctrine, the Iraq War, and the many many coups and genocides the empire has been involved in. Did you know that America invaded Russia in 1918? They don't usually teach that in America's schools and its not in textbooks, but the empire started the Cold War and everything that followed. We, the nation, are rarely involved at all in any of these decisions. They're made for us because we don't have a real democracy, we have a cobbled together """republic""" where two presidents in my lifetime lost the popular vote yet their party controls the Supreme Court.
There are going to be territory concessions in Ukraine and all America has done by prolonging the conflict is get more Ukrainians and Russians killed. I won't go into how Russia's demand for Ukraine to not have NATO membership is entirely reasonable, I won't go into how I believe America planned or at least knew about the attack on the Nordstream Pipeline as a way to force the war to prolong itself, I won't go into how I view this war as America driving a wedge between Europe and the rest of the world so it can never escape America's grasp, but I have a lot of reasons to not believe Biden has been good for Ukraine and I blame him for the war not already being over.
Amerikkka must be stopped.
You can have the last word.
Isn't that what the evangelicals want?
Maybe. Start the rapture and all that shit.
A third world war might be starting right now and be fully underway before the election even happens.
Shut off the weapon faucet then you dumbasses. Just once I would like the whole US government to think about how fucking stupid we look on the world stage.
How has the Israeli Berlusconi managed to hang on this long?
Populism and fearmongering, mostly.
So, conservatism then.
Same way actual Berlusconi did. He's a shithead who lets shitheads live out their shithead fantasies of being powerful shitheads just like him someday.
Also, deep connections in the political arena and control over popular media.
“This clashes with the idea of sovereignty. What can you do?”
Israel's sovereignty has now been revoked. What can you do?