These are the people holding the door open for fascism.
this post was submitted on 19 Jan 2024
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Who? The people who want something different that the same BS that's be presented for years?
Yeah we want something different, and not voting for Biden will make damn sure we'll never have the opportunity for change. So, vote for Biden because any other vote or lack of vote is a vote for Trump and fascism.
That's pure BS. Your vote only matters in a handful of states, so if you're in the majority that lives in a state that consistently supports one candidate, there's pretty much no risk to voting for a third party.
Do it anyway.
Why? Biden doesn't represent my interests, and neither does Trump.
I voted for Biden last election because a credible independent candidate (Evan McMullin) had a chance of winning my state (Utah) but no chance of winning the presidency, so I thought it would be funny if my state flipped Dem for one cycle. But no, Trump still won by ~20%, though he got <50%, so I was happy with my vote.
So I'll go back to voting libertarian this year. Trump will likely get 60% in my state, Biden will probably get 30%, and third parties will fill out the rest. With any luck, the Libertarian Party will get >3% this year, I'm hoping for 5%.
Trump thanks you for your vote.
The system sucks. It doesn't work the way it should. The candidates don't represent most people. These are true. You know what else is true? If Trump wins you're going to see just how bad things can get. But you know that. You care more about your own personal beliefs and wants than the collective. You can't wait another 4 years to try and make things better. You're a child and with your attitude you're going to learn a valuable lesson.
That's not how voting works.
If Trump wins
Trump will win my state, that's pretty much a guarantee. So far, there's no realistic challenger to get the conservative vote in my state. Whether I vote for or against him has absolutely no bearing on national election results. I'll get far better results by campaigning for whoever the libertarian is than campaigning for Biden. That's a political reality in my state.
My vote for a third party indicates that people want another choice. People here claim to be libertarian, at least enough for Mike Lee (one of my senators) to give lip service to it (but he's not a libertarian by any stretch of the imagination). Most people I talk to want less government, hence why they vote Republican (they think Rs actually want smaller government).
So my vote for the Libertarian Party gives people who more clearly approximate my beliefs more clout, which means more of the "libertarians" in my area may consider voting for them instead of the Republican. It's literally the best option I have for political change without actually running you office or campaigning for a candidate (I have young kids and a full-time job, so neither is particularly feasible).
So no, get out of here with your "a vote for X is really a vote for Y," that's just nonsensical, especially in my area.
Spoken like a rugged individual. Libertarians are just Republicans that decided to keep their masks on. Do what you want.
Whatever you say. I have just as much beef with Republicans as I do with Democrats, but I will vote against fascism every time. In my case, I think voting third party will have the biggest impact long term, and voting for a major candidate will have no impact.
What's up with the downvotes? This is absolutely a consistent libertarian perspective. It's pretty rare that mass media will do something libertarian friendly, usually they're appealing to one side or the other.
Libertarians should take this opportunity to really push hard for voting reform. Explain that something else (Approval voting, STAR, RCV, etc) could enable them to vote for a third party they like, without "throwing their vote away" if that candidate loses. This is a fantastic opportunity for all third parties to get the message out.
“It could be worse” isn’t particularly persuasive. But it’s looking like that’s what we’ll have. Again.
It can always be worse imo, but the fact is that it is rarely this bad. The two frontrunners are >70yo, which means there's a very real health concern. Add to that Trump, who has demonstrated himself to be a very real threat to the country by not acting to stop the Jan 6 violence.
It can and should be way better, we're just stuck because our voting system sucks and rhetoric seems to be having way more impact than before.
It can always be worse….
Sadly, I agree. Just when we think we’ve hit bottom, we seem to find a deeper chasm.
I wasn’t suggesting that this isn’t true. It just seems a poor basis for making a decision and motivating voters.