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[–] [email protected] 200 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Genz can't afford a car. Even used cars cost too damn much

[–] [email protected] 82 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Same shit as when Millennials were killing home ownership.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago

Though I admit, part of the reason I don't buy diamonds is specifically to fuck the diamond industry. Because fuck those scammers.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe they’d have money for cars and homes and diamonds if it weren’t for all that damn avocado toast!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Yeah, but then the headlines would be blaming millennials for killing the avocado market.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is applebees dead yet or do we have to continue the war on "family restaurants"?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

You must tip your microwave at home. Like the one at applebees, a microwave is a slave of the service industry that relies on panhandling your dinner table to survive.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

AFAIK similar articles (about driving less) were also penned about millennials and genxers.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

yea. it's not entirely by choice.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Millenials can't afford cars...

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

Gotta package wealth disparity as a feel-good environmentalist story :)

[–] [email protected] 78 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

"Gen-z is choosing to be homeless."

These crazy kids are forgoing the tradition of having a roof over ones head in favor of urban camping. It definitely has nothing to do the kleptocracy that made housing unaffordable by converting it into a speculative market for Wall Street and foreign nationals to park dirty money.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Don't forget insurance, either. A new driver will pay sky-high rates for the first few years. And while one can technically have a license but not pay for insurance if they don't own a car, if they ever do get a car insurance may end up even higher, since they dont have a history of good driving under insurance while their peers do.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I found out one of my 22-y-o coworkers, with no accident history or the like, pays as much quarterly as I do annually for car insurance.

It's just nuts. Used vehicle prices are through the roof in no small part because new vehicles are now ABSURDLY big and expensive.

AAA is now rating the cost of a new car to be something like $0.50-$1 per mile to operate. Or an average of $12k per year. When you carefully do the math, a lot of people are finding that the rideshares aren't much more expensive -- plus now they don't need to deal with the non-monetary costs of car ownership (maintenance, parking, fear of accident/theft, etc). And you can get blackout drunk to try and tune out the chaos of a dying planet and still be able to get home.

Not to mention car accidents are still, last I checked, the main killer of young people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is why I think owning a self driving car won't be a thing. Uber and such will just have a fleet driving around all day

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yep, and the technology to operate that fleet is only 5 years away. Just like it has been for the last 15.

Anything to make communities think it is safe to refuse to invest in any other transportation mode.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

In the article they noted this was the same for millennials and gen x before them. I'm going to assume the standard for youths purchasing cars was with the baby boomer generation. I know my dad told me when he was young, you would purchase a cool car that didn't work for the equivalent of $100 dollars, get a friend to tow it home, then work on it for a few weeks to get it running. He told me how much he missed his MG Midget, which let's recognize as a cool ass car for a kid to have. He could fix that car with a wrench, a stick of butter, and a deck of cars*. All his friends would be doing the same.

Nowadays it would be a $1k junker, and you'd need to have a computer science degree to fix the onboard computer while having all the specific tools to get into their proprietary parts. There are older cars too, but the standard of fixing a car has increased, all the while each generation has less time and money to do it.

  • This was a typo, but I love this typo. You say deck of cards, I say deck of cars, Thank you @[email protected] !
[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

_He could fix that car with a wrench, a stick of butter, and a deck of cars.

Well yeah, having a whole deck of other cars would make it pretty simple!

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is it really a choice if they fundamentally cannot afford to do so?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Many can and choose not too. Fuck cars.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Don't disagree with you but north american infrastructure is not set up for public transit

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago

I'm a millennial, but I fucking hate driving and gave it up a while ago. My eyesight is really bad due to misformed corneas so I have trauma from being forced to drive at a younger age. I eventually moved to a major city and got rid of my car the first chance I could (fun fact, leases are scams!). I love being able to walk/take public transit anywhere I want now, but unfortunately leaving the city is incredibly hard.

Fuck cars.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well how the fuck are they supposed to drive when car payment at 500+, gas is 3+ a gallon and car insurance is 1500 per premium! Not to mention potential repairs.

I make 80k a year and I can barely afford my car!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

These articles are so bad. There is no actual research behind them. It's all "it could be this"...well fucking dig into that maybe and get back to us with actual journalism.

Not to mention it's all based on ba consulting firm findings. It's McKinsey so they probably just want to lay people off and are using this research to support that recommendation.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

Millennial chiming in. Donated my car to the humane society a couple years ago. Thankfully I live close enough to walk to work, have plenty of amenities near by, and a bus line a block away when it runs. I've saved so much money about it. If I need a car for a couple of days I rent and it's still less than owning. Do not regret it at all.

Every now and then I think about buying a used car and the prices are absurd on top of all the maintenance, insurance, registration.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so it's not just my kids (I'm Gen X). Neither has expressed any interest in driving. One's a starving student, so I guess there's that. But the other's graduated and scored a cushy job where he could certainly afford wheels if he wanted. I asked him about it and he's like nah. I'll just take a lyft or whatever if I need it. And he's a software dev so he spends the time on his laptop. I guess if he were driving, his time would be less productive? I dunno.

We actually went to the same tech convention last fall in Denver and shared a hotel. I knee-jerk rented a car thinking Denver sounds like a driving town. But parking at the convention was exorbitant and we wound up ride-sharing there anyway, so I am beginning to see the merit in his way of thinking? The only time we got any use out of the rental was the last day when we had a little free time before the flight and drove up to Red Rocks. But seriously, for that one trip, the rental was hardly worth it.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's been a big boom in interest in urbanism in recent years and increasing awareness of just how the US got so car dependent. Toss in a quick trip to Europe at some point, add in people explicitly saying "the reason you liked these old cities so much was because of transit and lack of cars", and it's an idea that spreads itself.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I hate urban sprawl and how the city planners where I live keep wanting to perpetuate it. I commute most days on an ebike and try to drive less. The only major exception is in my side-gig as a musician in a band. Just too much gear to carry around without 4 wheels.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Cars are expensive and driving really isn't that fun outside rare circumstances that are quickly disappearing. I love cars, and I love a nice drive on a mountain road, but everything else isn't nearly as nice as it used to be when there were fewer people driving, and less dependence on it.

Not to mention, cars are pretty boring these days. The vaguely cool ones are just remakes of old models, and even Ferrari is making SUVs.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The greatest enemy of good driving conditions is and always will be other drivers. The people who really care about being able to drive should be enthusiastically supporting getting others off the roads because congestion is inevitable.

Especially since it costs less total taxpayer money that way (the classic is Houston vs NYC vs Amsterdam, which spend something like 20%, 10%, and 4% of their municipal budgets on transportation respectively). You're less likely to have congestion AND potholes in a city with trams and bike routes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I love cars, love driving, and I work in self-driving cars because I'm convinced the only people doing it should be the people who see it as a hobby, just like riding horses. You have so many people on the roads who hate it, and drive horribly because they don't care and it's an absolute pain for them. Why should those people drive, other than the fact that we don't have the technology yet to allow them not to?

(Even better, infrastructure to support them not to need cars at all, but that's a different topic. And before we get the "trains are the solution to every problem" crew, I think self driving shuttles are a cool way to diminish vehicles vs cars, that can cover at the same cost more routes than buses, achieve a higher occupancy rate, and would need next to no infrastructure changes.)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (7 children)

The best time to drive a car was during the pandemic.

I had never seen so few cars on the road. The world felt positively idyllic.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

Gen z earns like $15/hr.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Driving is so dangerous that I can't even believe that it's this easy to get a license from the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Those scooters are pretty cool though. If you told 10 year old me there would be electric scooters just sitting around on the street in the future you could just scan and ride, I'd have called you a big fibber.

Sometimes my dog gets a surprise run, while I just get to ride a scooter.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The signal of a less enthused Gen Z when it comes to driving could affect the car industry. But McKinsey analysts point out that previous generations of Americans had also appeared less interested in driving but went behind the wheel of cars eventually.

It's like a threat

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It’s like a threat

Welcome to America. This is how it's done.

Nobody is really interested in the way things work here, it's literally about forcing you to accept that you have to live this way to even begin to survive. It's about making people make choices they wouldn't otherwise make, based on a system of requirements that is always changing.

It was the same way with homeownership until it wasn't. Americans turned more conservative as they aged and got more "skin in the game" in the markets. They started seeing their homes valuation as something important, and so businesses and stocks doing well was also suddenly important. It's interesting (not) that their children who are not able to be similarly invested because they can't even begin to afford a house are not growing up conservative.

Cars will be forced on the populace, the people that run this country have no imagination and refuse to budge because they're making too much stinking money with how it works right now and they're going to drive this sucker into the ground, drain every last penny out of the economy, and then the rich will fuck off to Europe or Australia or Honduras or somewhere they can ignore how they hollowed out one of the largest nations, which is quite an achievement.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Keeping people that don't like to drive off the roads is only a good thing.

I don't see a problem here.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Gen Z can't afford £3k a year on insurance.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (8 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

From the UK, now in Europe.

There has been basically one time in my life that actually necessitated driving. Almost everything else can be covered by public transport or bikes/e-scooters/walking

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Have a license, don't drive. But for me it's mostly trauma from all the times I've almost been in a crash with various drivers, myself included.
Cars are fucking dangerous and not enough drivers understand that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

My old jeep blew its head gasket back in November 2022 and I have been walking and riding my ebike since then. Now my cheap Chinesium bike is out of order so just walking everywhere until I get new parts.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

I'm an older millennial and have never even bothered to get a driver's license.

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