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I have seen that the lemmy.ml mods will openly ban discussion about the CCP. I am wondering if the sh.itjust.works team allows criticism of government bodies, while still banning racism.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Any government or governing body should be open to criticism. They are suppose to be working for the people they serve. How is anyone going to know better if no one tells them what they are doing wrong? @[email protected] you have my support

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Let's find out: The CCP is committing genocide against the Uighur people

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mao Zedong was a little piss baby who hid in the mountains while the KMT fought the Japanese.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I get banned, it wasn't worth being here in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

totally agree, the ccp are evil

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Adding the people of occupied Tibet to this.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

*Occupied Tibet

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Why would they delete discussion like that? Are they waiting to IPO their Lemmy instance?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The Lemmy project openly describes itself in its public documentation as anti-US, and was apparently founded around the idea that Reddit is fundamentally anti-China and pro-US: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html

The doc starts off talking about open source, but it quickly becomes clear that the Lemmy project is primarily political in nature.

To me this is concerning -- what happens when largely pro-US Reddit refugees swarm a community (community in the general sense, not the Lemmy sense) which was intended by the founders to combat those peoples views? Sure, instances and people can choose to ignore the lemmy.ml instance, but the founders control the project at a much deeper level than that.

Personally I hope that alternative implementations that are compatible with Lemmy arise, totally outside of the influence of the original founders. Yes there is kbin, but I actually prefer the Lemmy model (from what I've seen so far), and I think there would only be benefits of having another high quality implementation which is totally separate yet totally compatible with the original Lemmy. It would make the whole thing more resilient, and could be fertile ground for future improvements to flourish.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Is that post really anti us and pro china though? To me it looks like anti pro us, and anti anti china.

Also, how do you see the founders controlling the project more? Especially at the "much deeper level"?

I'm a New Zealander living in The Netherlands, whether you choose to believe that or not.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Criticising pro-US doesn't necessarily mean anti-US, you can be in the middle. Similarly, criticising anti-China doesn't necessarily mean pro-China. Praising when something good was really done and criticising when something bad was really done, you can achieve at least some level of unbiased, rational and reasonable opinion.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Also lemmygrad is blocked here. As a person born in eastern block, fuck communism and tankies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

just came over here after poking around some of the other instances and the quality increase from not having tankies brigading shit is truly amazing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah old eastern block ex-pat here too. Lived through two communist regimes (Ukraine via the USSR and Poland). Don't want to go for a third.

I am staunchly Socialist though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Never actually met an immigrant who actually stays here in Eastern Europe but yeah communist shouldn't come back. But I don't want capitalism either, this shits wack for our people and workers. Guess there isn't a place to create new economic structures that could surpass both of them.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Kowtowing to the shitty chinese government is cowardice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

There's some talk about "a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately" in https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html, which struck me as odd.

Criticism of any governments should be allowed, especially authoritarian ones.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This is why I didn't make an account on lemmy.ml. I check to make sure instances I join have banned lemmygrad.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I guess a mass platform migration does mean bringing a lot of the culture, for better and worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You joined Lemmy 5 days ago...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

To a new instance dedicated to porn...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ooof the admins are weighing in on that linked thread at lemmy.ml and it's not a good look if you are in favor of human rights

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (19 children)

The Chinese Communist Party is absolutely not above criticism, but I always found the China obsession on reddit to be odd. While I don't think it should be banned outright, I think y'all ought to consider what is motivating such a weird fetish (because frankly that is) for a specific government.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yo, fuck the CCP!!!!!!! If sh.itjust.works doesn't like it I'm out

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

#fucktheccp

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I hope so, although it's not something I personally care too much about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The great thing about Lemmy is that it's all decentralized. Lemmy.ml mods and admins can't do anything about other instances

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Technically correct, much like you can't do anything about what your neighbour does in their own home.

However, what sh.itjust.works and lemmy.ml can do is block 'bad server' communication.

They can also enforce rules on their own 'home' as it were.

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