They gonna pair that with more bike infrastructure? Or are they leaving the onus on the bike riders to watch out for themselves when dealing with cars. I mean, safety is the concern, right?
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Exactly, make sure that there is a curb between the road and the bicycle lane where possible, improve crossings/intersections, legislation, etc. There are lots of possibilities to improve safety without making it less appealing to use a bicycle.
I’m surprised there’s no pushback here about this. Cars are by far the most dangerous vehicles on the road, far more so that e-bikes. As such, anything that makes it harder for people to use alternatives is going to make our roads less safe.
Once we’ve solved the car problem, I would support this, but we’re comically far from that in California.
theres a push for e-bike registration, insurance and liscensing where I live, but theres an important distinction between e-assist bicycles and this other type that you dont even pedal and can do 35-40kmph. e-assist wont need to be registered etc, where as these borderline electric motorcycles will
I agree with that but the article made no such distinction. If it’s a blanket law I will oppose it. Most e-bikes aren’t really much more dangerous than ordinary bicycles.
agreed- not to others anyway. I have a regular road bike and an e-assist and the sheer speed of the e-assist makes it waaaay scarier than my cannondale hybrid. I wear a helmet when I'm riding my e-bike and typically dont bother when I'm on the normal bicycle. the damage I could do by t-boning a car on either one is about the same (maybe a scratch of the paint and a dent in a panel)
You should wear a helmet in both cases... Flipping over at 10mph can splatter your noggin too
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Depends on what kind of bike is in question. There's a difference between pedal assisted ebikes and electric motorbikes. I feel like it's more than appropriate to require a licence and insurance for a bike that goes over 20mph and doesn't need pedaling.
So I've been riding both for over a decade. And this kind of cracks me up for several reasons. 1. I can in fact travel faster on my road bike then my electric bike. The components add more weight. 2. There is already a law limiting the top speed of the assist system to 20/25 mph. So to think you have these cruising at 40mph is crazy. And for reference, I have hit this speed and it's terrifying on most bikes. 3. Studies have shown that imposing restrictions like this simple decrease participation which in turn adds to sedimentary behavior which is a lot worse for you in the end. 4. This reminds me of the same nonsense as a representative that tried to create a seat belt law for motorcycles...
All good information.
I laughed at
sedimentary behavior
I too try not to settle down at the bottom of lakes and rivers...
That sir, is a fair critique. Sedentary :(
Studies have shown that imposing restrictions like this simple decrease participation which in turn adds to sedimentary behavior which is a lot worse for you in the end.
I wonder if that's the idea. Nip e-bikes in the bud before they become a serious competitor to cars.
- Studies have shown that imposing restrictions like this decrease participation
This is also a big problem since cycling is a lot safer when there are more people cycling
We need a metamorphic society.
Gneiss points overall.
The state identification requirement is going to be abused as fuck by the police.
If I gotta pay for license and registration, I expect those funds to be put towards bike infrastructure.
In the EU you don't need a license as long as the assistance shuts off when you go faster than 25 km/h, you can still pedal faster than that of course but it'll be without the motor assistance. If you need a license even for bikes like that then it seems a bit silly
30 km/hr in Canada. Which I think they copied from California.
20mph (~30km/h) in my state, 28mph (~45km/h) if it has a speedometer. If it assists above that, you need it to be registered (license plate) and have a motorcycle license.
I think that's fair. That basically restricts you to driving on side streets with cars, or on the side of the road on higher speed roads. Most shops only sell the 20mph bikes, so it's really a non-issue.
The trouble is that they are very easy to hack and and just remove that safety figure. In the UK non-assist ebikes must be registered and a motorbike license is required. I would say over 50% of the ebikes I see are illegal, along with all the illegal scooters. I can derestrict my ebike in a matter of seconds because it's just a setting in the app.
I feel like this would be better handled in PE class. Just teach kids to ride bikes and the laws surrounding bikes on the road.
I think there are some really good points made here against it. I also am leaning toward that opinion. I would like to see something done though. Perhaps if you do not have a license, you can apply for a special license specifically for the e-bike. With the class/written test focused very heavily on saftey.
I see so many kids on these, no helmets, not even pausing at stop signs, zooming behind all the parked cars that could start reversing before they even see or hear them (because electric). I know when I was younger and did not have a license I had a much less innate understanding of the different dangers of cars as a pedestrian. Simple things that seem obvious now, like always pay attention in parking lots, hesitate if you see a car with break lights on, make eye contact with a right-turn driver before crossing the street .. etc. I'd support this type of thing was a big focus of the test. A little basic road rules so that they aren't behaving "unpredictability " to cars.
Most importantly I want helmets actually being enforced. Normalized.
A little basic road rules so that they aren’t behaving "unpredictability " to cars.
The moment you start adding these rules for "safety", the quicker car drivers will find themselves exempt of guilt if they get involved in an accident that could be avoided if the driver was paying more attention.
Most importantly I want helmets actually being enforced. Normalized.
Take a look at the Netherlands, see how many people use helmets.
The more barriers you require from people to use a particular mode of transportation, the less people will use it. We need to increase the amount of requirements to drive cars, less from cyclists. "Enforcing helmets" is counterproductive.
I mean, we do in Australia - though to be fair, I've seen more of a drop off in use after the rental scooters came to town; but almost everyone I see on their own bike is wearing a helmet.
Guess we have to protect ourselves in the face of such little bike infrastructure
That's because of the model. Bike sharing is spontaneous, unplanned. People who are planning on riding a bike will bring their own bike and helmet.
But to require a helmet to use a bike rental service means planning ahead and bringing a helmet. If a person was planning ahead they would use their own bike.
Helmets, bells, hand signals are BS attempts at making cycling safe. It blames the victims in the event of an accident. If you get badly injured by an SUV it's because you didn't have a helmet and didn't tell the driver you were stopping. It's not their fault
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This is a great idea. I live in a small town in California and there are always tweens going 40 miles per hour on their ebikes, usually with no protective gear and at least one passenger. They're a menace both to pedestrians and to themselves.
These kind of bastards is what gives us fellow ebike enjoyers a bad rep. Now I'm not saying "we aren't all like that", however, isn't it the whole point? Like I mean there are enough of these menaces to warrant some sort of prohibition. But then isn't it also a kind of diversion from the main topic of corrupt city planning and availability of proper bike lanes? I mean sure go ahead and blame it on the end user, not the provider.
In the UK, in the cities, most of the ebikes I see are illegal and are ridden by said bastards. I would happily get a licence for an ebike to reduce the number of dickheads giving me a bad name. I would prefer that the bikes have to be registered with a government ID so that the owner can be traced and that there are repercussions for breaking the law.
I’m fine with ebike enjoyers. Just like car enjoyers, though, they have a certain degree of danger which could (and should) be mitigated with licensure. I don’t see the downside to ensuring competence on what ultimately are dangerous vehicles.
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Just last week we had a teenager flying down the sidewalk on one of these. He lost control, wiped out and was fucked up. Last I heard, his prognosis wasn't great. I'd be ok with a license of some sort.
I'm interested to understand how you this a license would.habe prevented this incident? I'm not criticizing you at all, I just think nothing would have been different in that scenario - fast and furious wanna best wrap themselves around telegraph poles all the time and the mostly all had licenses.
It was a kid driving with zero experience whatsoever. I don't know if he got the e-bike version of the death wobbles or what, but if he'd been required to at least take classes and get his license, he might have been able to save himself. Not to mention he was a kid and too fucking young to be driving one of those things as far as I'm concerned. I'd hope a license would have an age limit.
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