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[–] [email protected] 201 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (35 children)

They’re not purchases, they’re leases.

Edit: it’s actually that you purchase access to their license of the media.

[–] [email protected] 135 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Edit: Sorry, meant to reply to the comment above you!

They're not really leases either. Leases last for a defined period of time, like "one year," or they renew at regular intervals, like "monthly." "Pay up front and we'll let you keep this license for either forever or until we decide to revoke it without notifying you" isn't the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Apple uses the word “Get” for free things and simply displays the price on the button of paid apps. No mention of the nature of the transaction. That’s in the Germa of agreement you “read” and agreed to.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

And this is why you don't see apps selling for a price but rather being used to syphon users into subscriptions.

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[–] [email protected] 166 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Because you signed (digitally) an agreement that lets them do that.

Pirate everything.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Also, don't use Google. Wherever possible.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Read by almost no one, it is interesting because in many countries contracts are considered invalid if one of the parties is not properly informed and still accepts, affirmative consent is legally crucial.
Everyone knows that EULAs violate it systematically, tens or hundreds of millions a day, but it doesn't seem to be a matter of interest.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This is rage inducing.

Imagine if your car dealer was allowed to confiscate your car on a dubious claim such as "it doesn't meet the latest emissions standards," but not even telling you that.

Google needs to be fined twice the value of the apps that it stole from it's paying customers.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (14 children)

"Tesla has a new feature that will disable your seat controls if you keep messing with them"

https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/31/22911072/tesla-seat-controls-disable-lock-out-brose

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago

Because they have more money than you and, according to the US legal system, that's all that matters.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 10 months ago (29 children)

It's purchasing ≠ owning, then piracy ≠ stealing

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Piracy is never stealing, since you are not removing anything from anyone. This does not include actual piracy, the one with ships and rum.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't believe piracy is treated as stealing from a legal sense, already.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Honestly, as somebody who really loved the early era of Android gaming, I'm really disappointed how ephemeral it all was between the Play Store delistings and the absolutely atrocious approach to backwards compatibility in the Android OS.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yep I found out myself pretty quickly. With a simple App which was maybe 10K lines of code I started targeting Android 10 and so far every new major version caused some issue with the code as Google constantly messes around with files, permissions, ...

I can't imagine what a task it is to maintain a game.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

I just wish Google would release some kind of 32-bit Android 4.4 sandboxed compatibility layer for old games. Android 4.4 was the standard Android version for a super long time for a zillion devices, and I'd bet 99% of the dead .APK games out there would run on that version.

Give me a tool with a crapload of slow, clumsy emulation wrappers covered in tedious config options and a launcher any time I want to run an app through this compatibility layer and let me play Amazing Alex again.

edit: it occurs to me I basically want an Android emulator for Android. Or like, a psuedo-emulator that's not really an emulator like WINE/Proton.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago (4 children)

You mean buying isn't owning?

Well then...Piracy isn't st...I mean Piracy is wrong an immoral!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (12 children)

I remember my brother once telling me this:

How is it stealing if it's still there?

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (15 children)

Not only that. If you buy an app, you are at the mercy of its creator. If they decide they want to fill it with ads and tracking, or switch to a subscription model, there's nothing you can do. You can't rollback updates, you can't install an older version from the play store. If they decide to remove it from the store, you won't be able to install it any more.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I had one of the flight tracker apps, used it to identify planes passing my work lunch room's window, and paid $5 for it to get it ad free. Then it went to subscription and made it's free tier time limited instead of ad supported, so now I don't use it. I can't use an old version as it doesn't work on newer versions of Android

Edit to add: It's worth learning how to side load apps. While on a driving holiday in Sicily I was told that it was vital to have the ZTL app so I could know what areas were closed to cars (zero traffic limit), but it was only available on the Italian play store, so I had to download the APK and install it that way

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago

Because our government representatives are idiots and don't care about us.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago (11 children)

A "purchase" or "buy" option, especially when you get an invoice, should ALWAYS mean ownership of the product.

A "borrow" or "rent" option is one that you expect to have to return the product.

Google can't have it both ways. They either sold people software or they rented it out. Since it was never advertised or marketed as the Google Play Rental Library, they should be forced to give people the products they paid for.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago

Very shortsighted article calling repeatedly the GDPR a "crazy" law.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

Good to see more people are understanding how anti-consumer our digital distribution laws are. Sucks they had to find out this way, but people have been warning of this for years.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They have to promote piracy somehow

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And these companies think piracy is unjustified. No, it's just holding out an umbrella in the rain.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

They all do this. I've had games or dlc vanish off my PlayStation account. When I called to complain, since they lost the records of my purchases, they won't return them. I lost the receipts so long ago. I still have save files that require the DLCs

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (16 children)

It's their accounts, you just have access to them. They can close the whole thing tomorrow.

I don't even want to know what will happen when the valve guy retires. A publicly owned (edit: meant to write privately owned) company that could just shut down tomorrow. Many gaming publishers are aware, having their own launchers. Are you?

I'm telling you, root server, self-hosted everything and FOSS. If you can't do your things with that, it ain't worth doing anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (11 children)

As a hobbist App developer I can tell its probably at least to some extent due to the ongoing "cost" to keep the Apps hosted and working.

Every year when a new Android beta comes out you have to go through your App, check if everything still works only to then discover something broke and now you gotta figure out how to fix it.

With a small App I hosted starting at Android 10 every major update so far caused me some trouble. Now with Android 14 this is the last version I'll support for the simple fact that I don't have the time to keep up with it.

And mind you this was a rather simple small App, I can't imagine what a headache it is to maintain a game.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure, you don't have to support it with updates indefinitely, but I think the possibility should exist to delist it so new people can't buy it but people who bought it before would still be able to download it (with no guarantee it will work).

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

And on another note, why is it not backwards compatible with older apps?

I've got games and a bathroom speaker I can't access because I got a new phone. Are we just expecting devs to sit there updating their apps forever to meet new stupid requirements?

Fuck the whole Android ecosystem. It's completely broken from top to bottom.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (26 children)

So Google has no "app store" it's a "rental lot" filled with a ton of malicious bullshit anyway.

Is there an easy and effective way out of their evil environment?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

google claimed that they would start charging money for the gmail with your domain thing. when that happened I tried moving my account to a normal @gmail.com, but was not possible. So I created a new one and after manually copying all emails, files etc I contacted them to transfer my purchased apps.

Apparently it was impossible.

haven't buy anything since then

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Digital purchases are not you buying the product. It's you buying limited and reversible access to the license to download the file. When you agree to the TOS, you agree to this arrangement.

If you want to actually own something, you should be buying a physical copy of it.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you actually want something, pirate it.

its the only way to actually own anything.

Which is such an absurd and ridiculous thing to say, and its even more absurd and ridiculous we are at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Let me know where I can buy my android apps on disk I guess?

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