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Do I play Stellaris or Europa Universalis 4 ? Help me folx (hexbear.net)
submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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So, I started a new game of Stellaris with a few light mods. I have some time on my hands, about 14 days. Despite playing Stellaris for over 600 hours, I've never finished a full game. With that said, I'd also like to dive into EUIV at some point. I did play EUIV briefly in the past, but I never truly grasped the game's deeper mechanics. Fourteen days seems like it could provide a foundational understanding of EUIV. Who knows, EUIV might become my new favorite game, especially considering the vast amount of content available for it. On the other hand, Stellaris feels like comfort food; I can relax while building up my space nation. In my quest for an answer, I'm once again turning to the brilliant minds on Hexbear to assist me.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I have 3800+ hours in EU4

Play it, play the early modern period game. Go core, go casus beli, go diploannex with the dip rep and improve relations %, culture shift and missionary strenght, get your colonial range up for that global trade power. Dev up your prod in your trade centre with the estuary and manufactory to get the goods produced to up the trade value to get more out of your local node trade power with the merchant. 20/0/20 is the meta, add cav if you got the CCA for it with the flanking and positive ratio. Get your ICA with the backrow. Acquire the PP boost to get that +1 to monthly power in all categories. Check your AE in the HRE to avoid the E DoW'ing your WC. And don't forget to click the bi-yearly boost button for whatever special mechanic your country has, or else you'll be playing "sub-optimally", and no one wants that. Don't forget Burgher loans, and to get that interest per annum down to take more loans but don't get inflation and sell crownland and seize crownland to sell crownland to seize crownland to absolutism discipline moral damage combat width the devved up craven Archduke that is exploring withe the carrack

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

BMF as top tier EUIV player

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the (seemingly very indepth post). Sadly I dont really understand what most of these words mean. Whats "diploannex with the dip rep" Whats culture shift and missionary strenght for ? Acquire the PP boost to get that +1 to monthly power in all categories ? get your colonial range up for that global trade power (How and why)

I dont expect you to explain everything in detail. Just letting you know that I cant really do much with what you said. Even something simple like a country recommendation would be more useful I guess.

When exactly is the early modern period and why should I play it over the 1444 start date ?

To put it bluntly I know my way around Stellaris and CK3 but I have 0 idea about EUIV. It does sound exciting though.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Sorry, I was doing a bit.

Here's an actual answer now that I am back from the store. Eu4 is a complicated game in the sense that it is archaic (released in 2013 (Ancient times)) and is suffering from serious powercreep and feature bloat from the last 10 years of shifting development. Some DLC contain quality of life features and essential mechanics, for example, automatic exploration of the world is locked behind a DLC, requiring the player to otherwise manually click each province to explore it.

Country recommendation, the ingame country picker has in-built recommends in it, if you for some reason have Domination installed, don't play the Ottomans, cause afaik they are now quite difficult to play with the new decadence mechanics. Otherwise, France, Spain and England are solid choices, plenty of content and powerful enough for anyone to do well with. For more confident players, I'd say Austria, Brandenburg and Florence are all fun, depending on if you want to do diplomacy, conquest or economic expansion respectively. If Europe bores you, you can play the Bahamani's in India, the Ming in China, Korea in Korea or one of the Japanese Daimyo, the Uesugi (well, the one with the 3 provinces in the middle of the main island) is a good starter pick for that place. If you are again feeling confident, doing Jihanzhou to Manchu to Great Qing is a fun game.

As for that blabber about the early modern period, that's just the general definition of the entire time period of EU4, not medieval nor entirely modern, but something in between.

Also, don't be afraid to look up console commands, the game can be excruciatingly unfair at times and to get myself through the first 1000 hours I utilized cheats extensively, now I can play confidently at normal difficulty without touching the | key.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

How about neither?joking

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok, but have you played Vicky yet?? Yeah it's broken, but....

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I have played Vicky 3 for a bit yes. I think its fun but im not sure if I like the new changes like the whole MAPI stuff? Have to play it a bit more in the future with a major nation to see how I feel about the changes. (broken stuff aside)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Play Eu4, but only with MEIOU 3.0, it's a much more material version of the game.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wont that be even more complex than the base game though ?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Kind of, it's probably as complex as Vanilla Eu4, IF you include all the DLCs.

You can also just a lot of things to be automatic, so a lot of the complexity is optional.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Hoi4

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I think Hoi4 is the only paradox game I dont really vibe with. Just dont enjoy the warfare in that. Which is a lot of the appeal in a WW2 game. I wills say it does have some great mods though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

It does take some dedication to wrapping your head meat around.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Darkest Hour (which is HoI2-based fan conversion with Paradox support) is better in my opinion.